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2010/07/17 14:28:05 (permalink)

Best drive configuration for Sonar

Hi all, here is the setup:
 
Drive 1: OS/Applications
Drive 2: Audio/Sonar Projects
Drive 3: Samples
 
Drive 1 and 2 are definitely internal drives.
 
The question:  if you have the choice, which is the best setup for Drive 3 (samples)?
- Third internal drive?
- Or external (firewire, usb 2, or esata)?
 
Thanks for reading!
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 14:38:29 (permalink)
An internally connected drive will usually provide faster performance so I would go with that, if possible.

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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 14:47:33 (permalink)
Thanks Scott!
Is there any issue using SATA drives for Sonar audio files?  Or is this outdated information?

http://editthis.info/sonar/Optimizing_Your_DAW#Hard_Drive_Configuration
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 14:52:08 (permalink)
SATA rulez. You can even go eSATA and use an external with no real penalty to performance. The drive setup you posted is what most of us run on our DAWs.

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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 15:06:54 (permalink)
Sorry to keep tagging on questions, but:
Are there any heat issues realted to having three drives in one computer?  Does it require an extra fan or anything?
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 15:30:00 (permalink)
Studious Thanks Scott! Is there any issue using SATA drives for Sonar audio files?  Or is this outdated information? http://editthis.info/sonar/Optimizing_Your_DAW#Hard_Drive_Configuration
What else would you use? The fact is that there are no drives that are faster at this point than SATA3 and most likely won't be for a long time. Oh,and that partition crap isn't true. The reason why you might want you audio data somewhere else is because you don't want the read/record head doing anything but reading and recording audio. A separate partition on your OS drive would still use the same head as the OS. That being said, these things are pretty good at figuring out what they are supposed to be doing and making sure the data gets dealt with properly.

Fat32 is a fine file format, it just doesn't handle files of 4gb. It is easier to repair if you have problems though.

You rarely need to defragment audio drives with NTFS.

RAID writes slower than a single drive.

You can't really buy IDE drives anymore.

Disc space is cheap.

It's an old guide. Ignore it. There are also a lot of people around here that are old guides. Ignore them as well.
post edited by 10Ten - 2010/07/17 15:37:17
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 15:30:51 (permalink)
There are many flaws in that particular wiki entry.  IMHO, that page will do more harm than good since it's too easy to unwittingly follow its erroneous information.
I say, invest in one of the newest good quality machines, upgrade to the latest versions, and you will need almost none of those risky "optimizations."

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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 15:39:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/04/11 08:30:40
Never upgrade anything until you have a decent idea about how it will effect your machine. Running out and getting new drivers/software/firmware because someone on a forum tells you to is a horrible idea and might actually make your problems worse.
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 16:24:38 (permalink)
So is this the consensus?
1) SATA is fine for Sonar audio files
2) Best scenario is to have all 3 drives internal

What about:  any heat issues with 3 drives in one computer?  (need extra fan, etc...?)
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 16:27:46 (permalink)
Studious So is this the consensus? 1) SATA is fine for Sonar audio files 2) Best scenario is to have all 3 drives internal What about:  any heat issues with 3 drives in one computer?  (need extra fan, etc...?)
Those questions have been answered. The only difference would be if you do a lot of projects that go between computers. I do and all of my working projects are on external drives. I also use a lot of tracks and don't really have any issues, but internal is better if you can do it.
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/17 16:29:17 (permalink)
Yep, that's the way I have mine set up. Actually, my older DAW PC has 4 internal drives. I have a lot of samples.

As far as fans, how many do you have now? I believe my system has one on the power supply, one on the CPU, one in the front, and one more exhaust fan in the back for a total of 4. Check it out here: http://garrigus.com/?rackXT

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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/21 13:25:18 (permalink)
Studious


Sorry to keep tagging on questions, but:
Are there any heat issues realted to having three drives in one computer?  Does it require an extra fan or anything?


Like, Scott, I have four drives, but I use the fourth drive primarily for my swap file. Probably overkill but it hasn't introduced any problems with performance. I have five fans in my PC - one in the power supply, one on the CPU, one general "exhaust" fan, one blowing on the video cards (I use three monitors) and one on the drives, which tend to get too hot otherwise. I also leave the side covers off of my PC, though it is in a larger enclosure open at both ends. Not too noisy either, though I keep it in a separate room than in the one I record.
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/22 04:52:41 (permalink)
I have 6 HDDs in my machine
 
 
I do have 9 fans too!!
120mm exhaust
120mm on front of a triple HDD cage
80mm on front of other HDD cage
120mm on side over CPU [only 20mm profile :) ]
92mm on side cutout over GPU
2 x 120mm on CPU cooler (push/pull - huge Noctua heatsink)
80mm on GPU heatsink
80mm as general intake




I never get overheating problems.
It can get a bit noisy though!!
I generally use Noctua or Yate Loon fans which are generally very quiet.
post edited by Twigman - 2010/07/22 04:53:51

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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2010/07/22 11:04:01 (permalink)
tis depends on how much capacity your hdd has.
my mainboard can adopte 5 sata hdd. but I use only one which is 200G and several 100g for interchange of materials.
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2015/04/10 21:12:39 (permalink)
Hi Scott
I picked up a 2nd  2T internal hdd  is it best to put samples or my projects (or both) on this new drive??
Should I format in Fat32 or NTFS?
thanks for the advice  in advance Jon
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2015/04/10 21:34:25 (permalink)
With SSD drives all this information has changed. 
Once a sample is loaded into memory it doesn't matter which drive it was on. It's all about speed and I do't think you'll notice a difference between loading a sample from any given drive.
I would say an SSD drive for your C drive and a   2TB  7200 RPM drive is going to replace the old 3 drive system nicely. That's what I have.  
I use a third 1 TB drive strictly as a safety back up. I keep extras of everything in there cakewalk files, software and all things to do with music. It's more of a clone of the 2nd drive. 

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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2015/04/11 03:16:22 (permalink)
Loading samples from an SSD is much, MUCH quicker, especially on the larger libraries we're used to now. In addition, samples aren't generally loaded into memory completely, rather only the first part is loaded and the rest is streamed from disk. This to facilitate multiple GB libraries. This means disk speed has a significant impact on performance. If you have the money I would always recommend keeping sample libraries on an SSD. I have mine on an external eSATA/USB3 hybrid one so I can use it with my main DAW and my laptop.
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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2015/04/11 03:21:19 (permalink)
J3D
 
I picked up a 2nd  2T internal hdd  is it best to put samples or my projects (or both) on this new drive??
Should I format in Fat32 or NTFS?
thanks for the advice  in advance Jon



It's probably best to place your samples and your projects on this new drive.  That way you keep the data separate from your operating system.  Also, if your OS drive fails you still have your projects and samples intact.  Of course, you should still do your daily scheduled backups - preferably to a third external drive connected to a USB port (USB3.0 for the speed).

As regards formatting, definitely choose NTFS.  Fat32 is an old file structure that usually has maximum file size of a limit of 2 gig.


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Re:Best drive configuration for Sonar 2015/04/11 08:59:28 (permalink)
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Hi Scott
I picked up a 2nd  2T internal hdd  is it best to put samples or my projects (or both) on this new drive??
Should I format in Fat32 or NTFS?
thanks for the advice  in advance Jon




Hi Jon,
 
If you only have two drives, then yes, put your projects and samples on that second drive and format it with NTFS. That configuration should work fine.
 
If/when you start working on very large projects, you may need to get a third drive so you can one for OS/SONAR, another just for projects, and a third just for samples. But that also depends on if you'll be streaming samples from the drive. If not, then it doesn't matter much... the two drives will still work fine.
 
I hope that helps!
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