bluesguy996
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Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
If I've already recorded a track (s), and I get occasional "pops" during playback, are they there permanently, or can they go away with some of the seemingly numerous "fixes" ya'll are talking about?
In other words, If I make some adjustments, will this track then be OK?
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/18 22:40:10
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I am assuming it's clicks/pops from recording too hot a signal. And yes you can save it. But if you can get a better recording, I would suggest redoing it. The fix: 1.You can zoom in all the way on that click/pop and place a Volume envelope on that track and at that pop turn the volume all the way down. Your trying to turn the volume down for a micro second. Side effect, there maybe a drop out in percieved sound amongst other things. 2.Get a wave editor and bring the volume of that sample down. HTH
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bluesguy996
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/19 22:31:23
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I think the pops are from the typical sound card type issues. As I started loading up tracks and effects, they started to show up.
I'll try what you are suggesting.
Cheers!
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/19 23:06:36
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Can you see the clicks and pops? What your experiencing maybe just from your settings not being correct for your system.
I had a misunderstanding. I thought you recorded the signal too hot. Do you know what that is? If you didn't record to hot and you still are getting pops and clicks then that's a system setting and may not be permenantly part og the track. Do they happen radomly or same place everytime?
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/19 23:20:51
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Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
Yes and no. It all depends on the severity of them. When you take something away, you degrade that signal to some point. Without having the actual clip in front of you, no one can answer this truthfully. There is no magic pop remover. Some can be fixed and some cant and some can be 50% fixed and some can be 60% fixed and some can be fixed, but will degrade your clip. There's no way to tell without having the clip and using the tools to remove it. Cj
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/20 00:05:56
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That's what I was trying to say CJ!!! Well said.
But I am begining to think it's his PC settings and not a too hot recording.
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/21 16:18:59
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One way to tell if it's your system or settings is if your track or bus meters are going way up into the red. If they are, then you need to turn something down. What you turn down depends on what is too hot, and also on what you are trying to do in your mix.
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bluesguy996
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/21 21:37:12
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Once I paid attention to where they are happening, I realized that they are coming up randomly, at various parts of playback.
The meters aren't in the red, so it's not that.
I think it's the settings. I've tried to manipulate them as much as my minimal know how allows at this point.
It is all a bit confusing to me when it comes to drivers, etc. I'll keep working at it.
One question, I've heard it mentioned to dedicate one part of the hard drive to Sonar, and the other to all the normal windows, etc. I do have a dual core system.
Do you agree that would be best, and may help?
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/21 23:23:00
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It's possible if you have some part of your track that you can copy and paste over the cliks or pops. I have grabbed a spot in another part of the song and then pasted it over problem areas.
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/21 23:35:25
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No I don't think if you partition your only drive and place your projects on the new partition would help you out. It may make it worse.
What are you running, ASIO or WDM? What's your buffer size if ASIO? If in WDM what is the slider set to? I believe you have enough PC and a good interface. So just getting the settings right may take a little effort. But I am sure it will work.
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/21 23:43:03
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But I am begining to think it's his PC settings and not a too hot recording. Yea, I hope that is the case for his sake Cj
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/22 01:32:12
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Sounds more like a settings issue, or possibly a disk ir CPU loading issue. You did say the problem showed up when you "loaded up with tracks and plugs". Did you have an eye on your disk and CPU usage meters?
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/22 06:47:33
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Check that your Input Echo is off in Global settings when you click or highlight a track. And make sure then you click it off when recording.
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bluesguy996
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/22 12:02:48
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To answer one question: I am currently using MME Driver,Why? because that's the first one that worked!!(I know now, bad decision).
So... I've switched to ASIO mode (WDM didn't seem to be accepted by my interface when I ran wave profiler).
I also disabled input monitoring during playback in Global Options.
I will try this driver, adjust some settings, and see what happens.
P.S. A couple of quick questions:
1.In audio optionsGeneral, should have "64 bit precision engine" enabled or disabled? (currently disabled)
2.In Audio Options Advanced, for "Synchronization" should I have "Trigger and Freewheel" enabled or disabled?
3.My "Dithering" is set to "none." Is this right?
Thanks for your help!
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/22 13:42:46
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bluesguy, how about posting a screenshot showing a zoomed-in closeup of one of your pops? That would tell us what kind of pop problem you're having. That in turn would suggest possible remedies and - most important - suggest how to avoid them in the first place.
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bluesguy996
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/22 14:46:07
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Good News!
Switched to Asio, made some minor adjustments to buffers, etc. and did a test song. Loaded up tracks and effects, and no pops!!!
Also got very litlle to no latency.
I'm happy as a pig in S---!!
We'll try this now, until the next "opportunity"
I would still like the answers to my 3 questions though, if anyone could.
Thanks once more.
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/22 17:55:08
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1.In audio optionsGeneral, should have "64 bit precision engine" enabled or disabled? (currently disabled)
2.In Audio Options Advanced, for "Synchronization" should I have "Trigger and Freewheel" enabled or disabled?
3.My "Dithering" is set to "none." Is this right?
1. Yes, unless it makes your system unstable. UIf it does, just uncheck it and check it upon export to get the 64bit processing. 2. It depends what hooked up and what your doing. If you just hace a pc and sound card and a midi controler that trigers midi, then Trigger & freewheel is fine. 3. Thats fins, but remember to dither when you go down it bit depths. Dither is just low level noise that gets added to a digital audio signal. This low level noise helps mask and get rid of quantization errors.. You do not dither when you go from a lower bit depth to a higher bit depth. You only need to dither when going down in bit depths. So, if you go from 24bit to 32bit floating point, you do not need to dither. Cj
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bluesguy996
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/23 12:02:04
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When
CJ, If I'm exporting to burn a CD, it goes down to 16 bit, correct? So when would I need to use 64 bit Precision engine when exporting. Is it if I'm exporting an MP3?
Also, the ASIO driver I switched to seems to default to 24 bit recording. Is this OK, or is there a way to go higher, and then switch to 16 bit to export to CD?Is there much difference recording at a higher bit rate?
#2. I'm really not using any MIDI yet, and may not. So should I just leave it off?
#3.Re: Dither, Do I put it on only when actually doing the move to a lower rate, or just leave it on, if I know I'm doing it at the end of the project?
Lots of questions.
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/24 11:57:28
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CJ, If I'm exporting to burn a CD, it goes down to 16 bit, correct? So when would I need to use 64 bit Precision engine when exporting. Only if you select 16bit. You can enable the 64bit processing at the export and bounce stages to get the full potential of it. No need to always have it checked
#2. I'm really not using any MIDI yet, and may not. So should I just leave it off
This question confuses me. Leave what off? if your talking about the 64bit processing engine, doing MIDI doesn't matter, just check the box upon bouncing and exporting 3 .Re: Dither, Do I put it on only when actually doing the move to a lower rate, or just leave it on, if I know I'm doing it at the end of the project?
You dither when going down form bit depths. That can be during a bounce and export Hope that clears it up Cj
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/25 15:06:54
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If I'm exporting to burn a CD, it goes down to 16 bit, correct? So when would I need to use 64 bit Precision engine when exporting. Is it if I'm exporting an MP3? The 64-bit engine is still applicable regardless of what you're exporting. It refers to what goes on inside SONAR while the data is getting crunched and has nothing to do with what pops out the other end. Whether or not you ever need the 64-bit engine is another question. Selecting it can't do any harm other than making your export take longer, so you might as well just check the box every time and not worry about it.
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bluesguy996
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Re:Can you eliminate "pops" once they're in a recording?
2010/07/25 20:53:26
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CJ I meant the trigger and freewheel.
Thanks for the other answers though.
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