Need help reamping guitar.

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2010/07/19 20:44:59 (permalink)

Need help reamping guitar.

Hey, I'm kinda new here but I need help figuring this out.

When I go to record the DI seems to get all messed up. It gets really fizzy sounding. Here's what's going on.

DAW -> Lexicon Lambda -> Radial ProRMP -> TS-9 -> ISP Decimator -> Baron Custom Amps K88 -> Mesa Stiletto 4x12

From the Mic.

SM57 -> Left input on the Lexicon Lambda -> DAW.

This is the sound I get when I record.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3602793/wtfisthis****.wav

I'm using Sonar 8 as my DAW and I have it setup to send the DI to the interface and record on a separate track from the left input on the interface and out through the master/speakers.

The cable I'm using from the interface to the reamp box is a balanced TRS to XLR cable.

What am I doing wrong?? The monitor mix is not direct.
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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/19 20:57:43 (permalink)
    What's fizzy sounding? the sound at the speaker cabinet?

    Or the sound that the SM57 records?


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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/19 21:02:43 (permalink)
    The sound out the speaker. I think the DI is getting messed up some how.
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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/19 21:17:43 (permalink)
    btw

    No sim or anything. It sounds fine playing through the amp. Once I arm the recording and press record it does that. Gain is all the way off on the TS9 and the gain on the amp is at noon.

    Even with the recording of the mic being armed and just pressing play it does that.

    Good


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    post edited by kylendm - 2010/07/20 09:08:52
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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 07:18:42 (permalink)
    So let's be clear.

    1) If you simply play back your dry track thru the Reamp patch... your signal chain sounds clean? Yes? No?

    2) If you engage record ready, the playback thru the Reamp patch gets fizzy? Is input echo engaged?

    That doesn't seem like a gain stage problem... but it can be.

    It seems like the issue is specific to your setup and the Lamba. Does it have any sort monitor capabilities?

    The easiest thing to suspect is that your monitor routing is sending something extra down the line and blowing out the gain.

    It's also possible that fizzy sound is simply digital coughing from the system because you are somehow hitting a performance threshold.

    The first thing I learned while Reamping is that the line level gain coming out of my I/O hardware is smoking hot compared to a guitar pickups signal. That is of course to be expected... and that is exactly what the Reamp device is for.. but in any event, I find I have to back off the levels at both the I/O (I just turn down the track in SONAR) and on the actual Reamp device.

    I don't think that anecdote helps... but it may keep you comfortable while you sort this out.

    best regards,
    mike
    post edited by mike_mccue - 2010/07/20 07:20:46


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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 07:43:30 (permalink)
    Ok,

    first off... and I mean this to be helpful.... you posted 1.2MB of images.... so it took me 15 minutes of waiting to see them. I tried to compress the image in photoshop and by going to .gif they instantly reduced to 140kB each. That's a 300% reduction in size and download speed. If you crop the images and compress them I'll bet you can get both down to under 100kb combined.

    Be nice to your readers. :-)

    Now that I see the routing you are using it seems like you are setting up a digital feedback loop when you engage record ready. Is the Lambda routing the in back to the out internally?

    How many ins and outs does the Lamba have?

    When I Reamp I monitor on my MOTU Main outputs. I send the DI guitar track out via a seperate output on the hardware. e.g.  Analog Out left 1/2. I record the mic track on another Analog input. e.g. Analog In right 5/6.

    Also is it my imagination or do you also have a Sound Blaster running? It's listed as an output on track 4 and the Master. That might negate my digital feedback theory but introduce all kinds of fun clock fitz issues.

    Good Luck,
    mike


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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 09:06:59 (permalink)
    ^ Sorry about that.

    Well the Lambda has:

    2 Line ins
    2 Inserts
    2 Mic Ins
    2 Line outs.
    1 midi in and 1 midi out
    1 instrument in.


    Well I don't have an extra program running but yes it is outputting to my soundclaster xfi soundcard.
    post edited by kylendm - 2010/07/20 09:10:11
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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 09:25:15 (permalink)
    I'm thinking I need a new interface :/
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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 09:25:21 (permalink)
    If you are running the Sound Blaster your driver may need to be set to not send what it's outs back to ins.

    Are you using a MME driver? Or are you able to run in WDM?

    I don't know tha Lamba well enough.

    Does it come with a piece of monitoring software that controls the routing within it?

    It seems like you ought to be able to come out of the left or right... drive the reamp... and use the mic input idependantly.

    However it does seem like you'd need to depend on the SB to monitor the main outs.

    What is the clock referneced too?

    Anyways, I think we may need to wait until a Lamba or SB expert comes along with a specific suggestions.

    best regards,
    mike


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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 09:41:11 (permalink)
    I am able to use WDM and I just did. It's working! I'll post in here if I have any more problems.

    Thanks a ton Mike!
    Kyle
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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 10:35:43 (permalink)

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    Re:Need help reamping guitar. 2010/07/20 10:46:47 (permalink)
    He's using the Radial version. :-)

    I'm glad you got it working!

    Hope you have lots of fun.

    best regards,
    mike


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