Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020

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2010/07/21 13:14:00 (permalink)

Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020

Microsoft extends downgrade rights for Windows XP until 2020.
Here: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-extends-windows-xp-downgrades-until-2020/
 
What the heck are downgrade rights?
Here: http://www.reasonco.com/products/software/vista/vistadowngraderights.htm
 
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    Grem
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 13:41:09 (permalink)
    Saw that a few days ago on MaximumPC.com. So support will be there? I wonder??

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 15:10:00 (permalink)
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 15:45:01 (permalink)
    That's really targeted at businesses who are still running legacy applications or homegrown apps that won't run under Windows 7. Otherwise, no one in their right mind would ever downgrade back to XP.

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 15:49:35 (permalink)
    I can't wait for Sonar 7 to come out.
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 16:04:07 (permalink)
    I wonder at what point Cakewalk will drop support for XP, now that XP is likely to be around for so long. I'm guessing they'll wait for one year after Windows 8 comes out... So, Windows 8 is due about 2012... so maybe 2013? Give them until the first Service Pack of Windows 8? Seems fair enough.

    Just speculating. Seems like a burden to Cakewalk to keep support going for XP for too many more years, especially since XP will be superseded by Vista, 7 and 8. I certainly wouldn't fault them for dropping official support in a few years.
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 16:27:06 (permalink)
    i made the mistake a few years back, stating on this forum of how much better Vista SP2 was over XP. and the forum took a N.R.A., Tea Party like stance on the issue..people dont like change. i guess its a smart move on the MS side, cause the XP faithful wont go away, and it doesnt cost MS anything to further develop the product.. 10 more years of service packs and security updates..

    i surrender XP you won the war.. 

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/21 20:27:13 (permalink)
    Downgrade rights are where you pay for the latest version of Windows 7 but they allow you to image new machines with Windows XP. As said above, some legacy systems are running fine with specific drivers in large corporations. Upgrading means application and driver testing, hardware upgrades, more memory, new network cards etc. It can be very costly for large companies to upgrade all their hardware just to go to a new OS. Downgrade is usually a short term approach to managing hardware and application migration. When I worked for Microsoft, had lots of customers that wanted this ability.

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/22 06:51:14 (permalink)
    Vista -> XP is a massive upgrade IMO

    I'll probably migrate to Windows 7 at some point, hurdling cleanly over Vista as I do so.  I tried both betas as they came available and Windows 7 is a massive improvement.

    Vista's problems stem equally from customers' perception (poor marketing?) as they do from technical flaws.  The combination of both caused Vista to flop horribly, forcing Microsoft's hand to get Windows 7 out pretty sharpish.
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/22 07:05:34 (permalink)
    XP on a XP era computer is a good idea. On a modern computer it's madness.

    Upgrading Windows XP era to Windows 7 is madness.

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/22 07:07:53 (permalink)
    ston


    Vista's problems stem equally from customers' perception (poor marketing?) as they do from technical flaws.  .
    That coupled with the reluctance of hardware manufactures to get their drivers sorted and software manufactures dislike for UAC etc.


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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/22 07:34:52 (permalink)
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    ston


    Vista's problems stem equally from customers' perception (poor marketing?) as they do from technical flaws.  .
    That coupled with the reluctance of hardware manufactures to get their drivers sorted and software manufactures dislike for UAC etc.

    I don't think it was a very smart move by Microsoft to expect hardware vendors to have to re-write all their drivers.  There were also a great many applications that weren't compatible with Vista, which ran perfectly fine under XP.

    So where does this leave the end-user of the OS?  All they want to do is to upgrade the OS and keep using it.  If the OS has very poor backwards compatibility, then the end user sure doesn't want to wait until all of the software/drivers he's used to running is updated, especially if that results in having to pay additional fees...and the vendors aren't going to want to spend a great deal of development resource on modifying their code only to give it away for free.

    Windows 7 is much more backwards compatible with XP than Vista, I believe that it even has some kind of 'XP compatibility wizard' - for good reason!

    As for eras of computers...well, mine spans a good five eras I'd say :-D  I'm still using the same PCI audio cards that I've had for over 11 years now; 2x Creamware Pulsar II DSP cards which I'd still rate above pretty much anything else on the market.  They've been run under Windows '98, 2000 and XP.  The rest of the machine certainly has the clout to run Windows 7 as there have been a number of upgrades since I initially changed to using XP, so I disagree that there needs to be some kind of tight matching between operating system and hardware.



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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/22 09:59:44 (permalink)
    I never wanna switch to Window 7. I love my XP it just works.. Plus when I called cake support once  , I was asked what OS do you use,, I said XP pro... "ahh nice Ol Reliable Xp" I said what do you mean. " well Xp is the reliable OS , so that from the horses mouth. I said I thought Window 7 was the best, Well no its just optimized to work better with Sonar.. But Xp is what we call Ol reliable..  Hmmm , I was taken back from that and that made my decision not to upgrade to windows 7 , He did say if I was to go to 64 bit I should upgrade to w7 64 bit.. If Im staying at 32 bit no need to upgrade, and I should stick with Xp.. I really appreciated his opinion and honesty. 64 wont run half my plugins at 64 bit so there is no big benefit for me. and my cpu never goes past 50% with my large track count and all the efx ect.. 
     I doubt sonar will ever get rid of xp support  in the near future.. Xp still has the market ..
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    http://www.windows7news.c...win7-gaining-on-winxp/

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/22 10:34:58 (permalink)
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    XP on a XP era computer is a good idea. On a modern computer it's madness.

    Upgrading Windows XP era to Windows 7 is madness.

    Based on this are you saying I would gain performance buy downgrading to XP Pro?
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 05:35:41 (permalink)
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    I never wanna switch to Window 7. I love my XP it just works.. 


    I felt exactly the same way about Windows 2000.  Everybody was telling me to switch to XP, but I had a rock-solid W2000 'Standard PC' installation (i.e. not acpi) that worked great as a DAW.  I resisted the change for as long as was feasible but eventually had to make the change.  It'll be some time yet before I consider changing again to Windows 7 :-)
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 07:18:45 (permalink)
    Here is something that was stated in a Win 7 newsletter:

    "For those who are disappointed that Wave 4 (and IE9) don't work with Windows XP, all I can say is that XP is a ten year old OS and Microsoft has moved on. Obviously many computer users haven't, but there does come a time when backward compatibility has to be sacrificed if you want to be able to add new features and functionalities. The price of sticking with your ten-year-old automobile is not having some of the features that new cars have, and the same is true when you decide to stick with an old OS. The car and the OS may still work perfectly well and get you where you're going, but if you want the fancy new stuff, you have to upgrade. I know that's not the answer that XP users want to hear; it's just the reality."

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 08:18:15 (permalink)
    I'm sticking with XP Pro 32 for now....I have got myself a copy of Win7Professional full retail because I managed to get it half price ( :) ) but I haven't installed it yet. XP just works - it never seems to crash and it does what I need it to......now if I wanted to stream HDaudio through the HDMI port or something then maybe I'd want Win7 but my studio PC isn't my HTPC so there's no need......

    one day I'll jump to Win7 64 but probably only when my software DEMANDS it.

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 08:34:54 (permalink)
    OK, Twigman... whatever floats your boat. I'm loving Windows 7. And that part about XP never crashing, that's a bunch of hooey.

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 09:39:05 (permalink)
    daveny5


    And that part about XP never crashing, that's a bunch of hooey.
    Aint that the truth. I had more crashes on XP than I ever have on Vista, though neither are what I call unstable. Vista SP2 64 bit, just works (to use the favourite phrase of XP users), and works better than XP.


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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 09:48:28 (permalink)
    Nobody ever believed me when I told them I had a pefectly stable Win '98 SE!

    Half the trick's finding a stable configuration of all the hardware components, peripherals, drivers, O.S. and applications that need to somehow work together.  I've been doing low-level development for quite some time now and am always amazed that a modern computer system comes up and works at all.

    [Can we all agree that Win ME was rubbish? ;-)]
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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/23 10:29:51 (permalink)
    Ston, that is the issue between Apple and a "PC".  Apple makes the hardware and the operating system and a lot of applications software so it can and should all work without problems (in theory).  Where a "Windows" PC can have thousands of potentially different hardware configurations and the Operating System and applications software try to work with the many potential configurations. 

    I've been in computers, in one area or another, since 1962 when I was in the Air Force.  I even managed a LAN/WAN Network and Hardware Help Desk for 23 years (until I retired) but never wanted to take on building my own PC.  I finally got the guts to do it two years ago and amazingly when I first powered it on everything worked!   As far as Operating Systems, Win 7 is by far the best out now.  I remember when we went from DOS to Win 3 and then 3.1 and the "old timers" refused to go to Win 3/3.1 and the same to Win 95, Win 98, Win ME, XP, etc.

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    Re:Downgrade rights extended for Windows XP until 2020 2010/07/24 00:41:09 (permalink)
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    [Can we all agree that Win ME was rubbish? ;-)]
    I with you on that one.


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