storage of songs

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2010/08/05 00:02:48 (permalink)

storage of songs

Can songs be done on a external drive while using the program on the c drive.
     I read that it is good to store material on an external and bring it to sonar and work on it and send it back. Also, how can you change the percentage from all cpu to disk or at least share the work?
 
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    CJaysMusic
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:13:19 (permalink)
    Yes, but external hard drive should be used for laptops only. If you have a desktop, its better to have an internal sata drive or an eSata drive in your pc. Its better than USB or Firewire.

     I read that it is good to store material on an external and bring it to sonar and work on it and send it back

    You dont bring and send your audio to sonar manually. You use your 2nd hard drive for audio only. This is where your cwp and per project folders are stored and this is where your audio exist.
    You dont bring your audio to your C program hard drive when working in sonar.
     
    You just set up your 2nd hard drive as your audio drive and direct Sonar to it. Thats it! There is no bringing back and forth.
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:13:45 (permalink)
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    Can songs be done on a external drive while using the program on the c drive.
         I read that it is good to store material on an external and bring it to sonar and work on it and send it back. Also, how can you change the percentage from all cpu to disk or at least share the work?
     
    Thanks,
       John
    There are a number of good threads on this subject, but in general ...
     
    A more ideal setup is to have your OS on Drive C:,  your Data (songs, etc) on a 2nd drive, and samples on a 3rd drive.
     
    The 2nd and 3rd drives can be internal or external - but if they are external, it's best to use eSATA for its speed, as opposed to external USB drives which tend not to be fast enough and can cause other headaches.
     
    There are some good external eSATA drives around at very good prices; but if you have the space, using an interal 2nd/3rd drive works fine too.
     
    Then you could use the external drive(s) for backups and it wouldn't matter if they are USB then. 
      
      Ah I see CJ beat me to it :)
     
    post edited by ba_midi - 2010/08/05 00:23:21

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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:21:24 (permalink)
    So basically the ext drive should be used for backup or as Billy said to store samples. I'm just trying to get more out of my poor old P4 unit. What about the cpu and disk meters? The disk meter never moves, just the cpu.  I have had a bit of usage problems on some songs depending on the effects used[especially guitar rig]. I've had to learn how to compensate for not enough cpu.
        By the way what would be [in your opinion] the next "cheaper"a computer to move up to with out spending a small fortune?
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:27:39 (permalink)
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    So basically the ext drive should be used for backup or as Billy said to store samples. I'm just trying to get more out of my poor old P4 unit. What about the cpu and disk meters? The disk meter never moves, just the cpu.  I have had a bit of usage problems on some songs depending on the effects used[especially guitar rig]. I've had to learn how to compensate for not enough cpu.
        By the way what would be [in your opinion] the next "cheaper"a computer to move up to with out spending a small fortune?

    My personal approach is the one I said in my first reply ... ie., C: = OS and apps, internal D: = Audio/Data, Interal E:=Samples then I have 2 external drives ... one is eSATA for more samples (I have a ton) and the last is a USB for backups.  Both externals are 1 Terrabyte, my internals are 500Gigs (but I will probably upgrade them to 1 TB as well).
     
    This gives me total flexibility.
     
    As CJ points out - you should at least use a separate drive for your audio data (projects) and point Sonar to it via the Global Options - Folders.  And, of course, use "Per Project Folders" setting as well.
     
    As for computer ... Minimum would be (in my opinion) a Quad Core system if you're serious about your music setup.  Dual Core is "ok", but QUad Core is much better.
     
    Then there are the newer I5's, I7's of course.    Regardless, get as much RAM as you can afford (but not more than 4G if you're staying in 32bit OS).
     
     

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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:30:51 (permalink)
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    So basically the ext drive should be used for backup or as Billy said to store samples. I'm just trying to get more out of my poor old P4 unit. What about the cpu and disk meters? The disk meter never moves, just the cpu.  I have had a bit of usage problems on some songs depending on the effects used[especially guitar rig]. I've had to learn how to compensate for not enough cpu.
        By the way what would be [in your opinion] the next "cheaper"a computer to move up to with out spending a small fortune?

    I forgot to respond to the meter question.
     
    If you're DISK Meter is barely moving, it simply means you are not using that much actual "audio files" in your project (perhaps it's mostly soft synths, as an example).   The CPU meter is a misnomer.  That meter reflects how much the CPU is working to manage the audio and MIDI buffers - it's not an actual representation of the CPU itself.  So one should expect it to be higher since everything (audio/midi) goes through it, so to speak.
     
    A heavy soft-synth/sampler project (ie, lots of MIDI plugins) would normally have higher CPU meter readouts.
    But the DISK meter will go higher if Sonar is reading/writing to disk more -- which would happen if your project contains a lot of actual audio tracks (wavs, frozen tracks, etc).
     
     

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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:32:59 (permalink)
    The disk meter never moves, just the cpu. 

    and what the problem with that?
    The disk percentage has to do with many things, like the settings for your I/O playback/recording buffers

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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:35:25 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the info!!!!!!
     On the computer. I have been looking into the quada cores but I'm having trouble finding computers that have 2 PCI expansion slots. I have to M-Audio cards that are PCI and I have had great luck with them working in sync. So, I have to keep looking for the 2 PCI slots on the computers. All of the i processors that I've seen don't even come with PCI slots anymore.
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:38:58 (permalink)
    On the metering, I'm ok with just seeing the cpu meter run ........I was just hoping to be able to use ALOT of effects with some of my projects. I guess I'll just have to upgrade someday. I have the work around for the moment.
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 00:43:27 (permalink)
    On the metering, I'm ok with just seeing the cpu meter run

    Yes! If you want to see it, just set your I/O buffers to 16 or 32. The lower those settings the higher your disk % will be and visa versa.
    Seeing very low Disk activity is great.
     
    Now if you where to record 16 tracks at one time, you would see some Disk activity to to the writing to disk of 16 tracks at one time
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 16:41:31 (permalink)
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    Thanks for all the info!!!!!!
     On the computer. I have been looking into the quada cores but I'm having trouble finding computers that have 2 PCI expansion slots. I have to M-Audio cards that are PCI and I have had great luck with them working in sync. So, I have to keep looking for the 2 PCI slots on the computers. All of the i processors that I've seen don't even come with PCI slots anymore.
    You will need to purchase a USB to PCI adapter. USB 3 even best.
    I suggest working with a local computer store. A good tech will give you the best option or at least a refund or exchange as you experiment a good match.

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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 16:58:44 (permalink)

    I suggest working with a local computer store. A good tech will give you the best option or at least a refund or exchange as you experiment a good match.


    Really? I never take advice from anyone who works in a computer store (Best Buy? Radio Shack?? You've got to be kidding!) or a music store. They just want to move product. Your best bet is to subscribe to some good magazines or web sites and educate yourself.
    post edited by daveny5 - 2010/08/05 16:59:54

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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 17:34:32 (permalink)
    Highly recommend using 2 drives... the ability for a drive to "scan" or "seek" from on part of the drive to another for different bits of information has improved by so much, but having one drive to scan for the OS information and another to scan for the .wav file data is a no brainer... you have 2 doing the same job that 1 was doing... this makes it easier to get and store information.

    When the dual core processors came out the leading digital audio industry peeps loved it because one processor could run Pro Tools and the other operate OS and other functions.. this greatly improved digital audio work flow.

    Here is the difference between running an external drive through Firewire 800(the fastest we have gotten to so far) and eSATA.

    Firewire 800 can attain a maximum data transfer speed of 800 MB/sec which is two times faster than USB 2.0, as a Firewire vs USB comparison would reveal. However, the fact that eSATA ports have a direct channel connection with the hard drive bus and lose no time in data translation through interface, provides a maximum of 3.2 Gigabits/sec (400 Megabytes/sec) of transfer speed. So if you ask me what's faster - eSATA or Firewire 800, it is eSATA unarguably. If you make a usage comparison of eSATA vs Firewire 800 for Macbook Pro which supports both, eSATA is the better option for high bandwidth data transmission.

    Hope this straight forward eSATA vs Firewire 800 comparison helps you in deciding which one to opt for. In terms of speed, eSATA is currently unbeatable and Firewire and USB 2.0 lag far behind. I would personally suggest you to go for eSATA external hard drives if you are likely to make high bandwidth demanding data transfers. Otherwise, Firewire 800 is good enough for most everyday data transfers.
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/05 21:07:32 (permalink)
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    I suggest working with a local computer store. A good tech will give you the best option or at least a refund or exchange as you experiment a good match.


    Really? I never take advice from anyone who works in a computer store (Best Buy? Radio Shack?? You've got to be kidding!) or a music store. They just want to move product. Your best bet is to subscribe to some good magazines or web sites and educate yourself.
    Well, I was actually thinking about something like this;
     
    http://www.nanosys1.com/mb-as-p6t.html
     
    If you've got a computer store like this in your area it is a different outlook than what you think I am referring too.
     
    By the way, the link shows an i7 mother-board with PCI slots.
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    Re:storage of songs 2010/08/10 10:00:40 (permalink)
    Yes, but I think external hard drive should be used for laptops but If you have a desktop, Then its better to have an internal sata drive such as C,D,E,F or .. drive in your pc. But when you have formate your pc then your data of the songs are removed in internal drive. So, That time you can use external drive.
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