hgj1357
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REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
...anyone got any experience using these with Sonar?
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/08 17:20:11
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hgj1357
...anyone got any experience using these with Sonar?
I used to use ADATs with an RME HDSP 9652 card. What exactly do you need to do ? Do you have old tape to transfer or do you just plan to use them as extra converters to get some analog I/O ?
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/08 21:57:49
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I used a DigiFace for several years.
It works great...
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/09 11:10:17
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My goal is to use one ADAT in for 8 channels of audio in. (I have an external AD/DA converter already). The other two ADAT I/Os would be for one or two external reverb units to be used as aux send/returns. I may use the expander card for 4 analog outs for monitoring. (I suspect the converters on board are better then my current converter). You used to use a digiface. Why do you not use it now? EDIT: The external reverbs have ADAT IO
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/09 12:18:57
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My goal is to use one ADAT in for 8 channels of audio in. (I have an external AD/DA converter already). The other two ADAT I/Os would be for one or two external reverb units to be used as aux send/returns. I may use the expander card for 4 analog outs for monitoring. (I suspect the converters on board are better then my current converter).
You used to use a digiface. Why do you not use it now?
EDIT: The external reverbs have ADAT IO
That might work if you use different units. What model ADATs do you have ? Some of the old ones were only 16bit so even a cheap set of modern converters would sound better then that. But if you need to use what you have it would work. The optical interfaces would be connected in and out on all the machines in a "loop" so there each could use the clock from the RME. You will need to set the clock source on the ADATs to Dig. If they are 16bit ADATs and you have a little money to spend I would suggest you replace them with this. http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHADA8000 Or if you don't need to transfer tapes anymore maybe you could sell them to help offset the cost of the converters.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/09 19:21:10
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Clarification: When I said three ADATs I meant the 3 ADAT I/Os on the sound card, not 3x Alesis ADAT24s. The (venerable) Behringer ADA8000 is the very converter that I use. It is great as long as you don't use the pre-amps, but rather use it at line level. Actually, I said digiface, I meant this: http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdsp_9652.php (which is what you used ohhey, right?) I suspect this is largely the same as the digiface but on-board instead of off-board. I have the ADA8000 and two Behringer V-Verb 2496 units which would all need world clock (clocking?). I am an absolute dunce when it comes to world clock. Each Behrenger unit has the same sort of connector for world clock as the HDSP. Does World clock daisy chain like midi?
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 00:42:29
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Clarification: When I said three ADATs I meant the 3 ADAT I/Os on the sound card, not 3x Alesis ADAT24s.
The (venerable) Behringer ADA8000 is the very converter that I use. It is great as long as you don't use the pre-amps, but rather use it at line level.
Actually, I said digiface, I meant this: http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdsp_9652.php (which is what you used ohhey, right?)
I suspect this is largely the same as the digiface but on-board instead of off-board. I have the ADA8000 and two Behringer V-Verb 2496 units which would all need world clock (clocking?). I am an absolute dunce when it comes to world clock. Each Behrenger unit has the same sort of connector for world clock as the HDSP. Does World clock daisy chain like midi?
Yes, it daisy chains. Just use the in and out till you get them all hooked up. You will want the 9652 to be the clock source so it can autoswitch sample rates if needed and because it's the best quality clock you have. So out of the 9652 to in on the ADA8000 and out of the ADA800 to the next unit and so on. However, if you have ADAT optical to everything in and out you may not need word clock. ADAT optical carries clock and audio at the same time. Also, anything that is connected via analog like to the ADA8000 does not need to have clock even if it has digital connections. If you are not using the digital audio connections you can consider it just another analog device.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 01:41:03
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Currently my ADA8000 connects to an EMU1212 via ADAT. I get a lot of pops. I was hoping switching to a soundcard with world clock would help. If the ADAT carries world clock info anyway, am I really going to get a benefit fro this?
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 02:58:23
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You used to use a digiface. Why do you not use it now? I used to use a Digital Console (routed to the PC via the Digiface. I opted to go "sans mixer" several years ago... as it improved my fidelity and simplified my setup. Performance had absolutely nothing to do with my decision to change. The Digiface was... and still is a great performer.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 08:53:11
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Currently my ADA8000 connects to an EMU1212 via ADAT. I get a lot of pops. I was hoping switching to a soundcard with world clock would help. If the ADAT carries world clock info anyway, am I really going to get a benefit fro this?
are you sure that's not a latency buffer problem?
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 11:23:36
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hgj1357
Currently my ADA8000 connects to an EMU1212 via ADAT. I get a lot of pops. I was hoping switching to a soundcard with world clock would help. If the ADAT carries world clock info anyway, am I really going to get a benefit fro this?
are you sure that's not a latency buffer problem?
No. I'm not sure. How would I go about diagnosing what is causing the pop?
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 17:21:25
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which driver mode are you using? WDM or ASIO?
if WDM, go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and move the latency slider toward the SAFE side until popping stops (trial and error and many iterations may be necessary)
if ASIO, go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and click on the ASIO button. that will bring up your EMU1212 patchmix panel. find the HARDWARE BUFFERS in there and increase them until your popping stops.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/10 18:31:04
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hgj1357
Currently my ADA8000 connects to an EMU1212 via ADAT. I get a lot of pops. I was hoping switching to a soundcard with world clock would help. If the ADAT carries world clock info anyway, am I really going to get a benefit fro this?
are you sure that's not a latency buffer problem?
No. I'm not sure. How would I go about diagnosing what is causing the pop?
One thing you can try is to disconnect the external units and see if the EMU1212 works by it's self. Then start hooking things up one at a time and test again. Double check to make sure only one device is the clock and all others are set to use the ADAT input as it's clock source. I would let the EMU be the clock for the first test.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 08:16:23
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I am currently not using a world clock. THe EMU doesn't have a WC out. I suspect that I should have a master WC.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 08:36:22
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but ADAT doesn't have to have a separate word clock. the unit which you set to be the source of the ADAT clock will be the master clock.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 09:59:47
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but ADAT doesn't have to have a separate word clock. the unit which you set to be the source of the ADAT clock will be the master clock.
I don't understand this. I haven't (and don't know how to) set something to be the source of the ADAT clock. AT least not intentionally.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 10:07:36
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I haven't personally used the EMU-1212, so I don't know either. hopefully someone else will be able to help with this.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 10:15:48
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 The two cards together are referred to as the EMU 1212. There is no WC I/O. That's one reason I was looking at the HDSP 9652  that has WC I/O
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 10:45:53
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Beagle
but ADAT doesn't have to have a separate word clock. the unit which you set to be the source of the ADAT clock will be the master clock.
I don't understand this. I haven't (and don't know how to) set something to be the source of the ADAT clock. AT least not intentionally.
The EMU should have a software control panel where you can verify if it's clock is set to "internal". That means it's the clock source. All other devices should be set to get clock from the ADAT in. To keep it simple only use one external device at first to trouble shoot. So the hookup steps would be.. 1. Hook the EMU ADAT out to the ADA8000 ADAT in. 2. Hook the ADA8000 ADAT out to the EMU in. 3. Set the sync switch on the back of the ADA8000 to "ADAT In" 4. Verify that in the Sync area on the face of the ADA8000 the "Locked" light is lit. That should do it. See if everything works without pops or clicks. Is it does we can go to the next step.
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 11:00:06
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I shall have to wait until I'm home. Pesky work getting in the way my recording!!
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 11:16:30
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I shall have to wait until I'm home. Pesky work getting in the way my recording!!
LOL ! 
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Re:REM Digiface w/ three ADATs...
2010/08/11 22:52:17
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Done!
However, missus out of town = DR103 Amp up to 11.
I'll report back when I regain my hearing.
Huh?
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