Widetrack
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Piano Roll view weirdness
There is one piano patch on my K2000 that looks like drum notes (the little diamonds) in the piano roll view.
I can't figure this out, but I have a feeling it has to do with the instrument definition.
Can anyone tell me how I can get this patch to display normal midi notes, with durations, instead of drum diamonds?
Thanks for any help.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:21:28
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:35:24
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garrigus
Right-click on the keyboard in the PRV and choose the Use These Note Names Instead option.
Scott
How do you do the opposite? When I use Session Drummer 2, the notes appear as standard notes with duration. I would much prefer to see them as the little diamonds with no duration.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:39:31
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Scott: I did that, selected "diatonic" and that got the keyboard to appear on the left. but the notes are still drum diamonds, and when i close and re-open the PRV, it's back to the same druim map thing. They are all on channel 1. There is a small group of about 8 patches in one bank of the the K2000 that does this. All the rest are ok. This has to come from somewhere in the .ins file, right? I got this ins file from somewhere on the web, a while ago, Iso it's not surprising there are anomalies. I saw this in an old cakewalk.com file: " Note: When creating a new drum map, the map settings are derived from the current track's instrument definition if the track is assigned to a "drum" instrument definition." This is a clue, but not a solution. How do I define a patch as a "drum" ? More to the point, how do I un-define a patch as a drum? I've clicked all thru Sonar's instrument def dialogs to no avail. WT
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:46:36
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Is that patch pointing to the right note names in its instrument definition file?
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:52:01
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Widetrack
Scott:
I did that, selected "diatonic" and that got the keyboard to appear on the left. but the notes are still drum diamonds, and when i close and re-open the PRV, it's back to the same druim map thing.
They are all on channel 1.
There is a small group of about 8 patches in the K2 that does this. All the rest are ok.
This has to come from somewhere in the .ins file, right?
WT
What bank are you using in the midi track? Maybe it's using a percussion bank.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:52:47
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Wookie:
I don't know.
Can you tell me how to determine that?
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 14:54:48
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Chappel:
It's just bank 000, an ordinary instrument bank that contains both drum kits and diatonic instruments. I just can't figure out why these 8 diatonic instruments show up as drums in the PRV.
All the drum kits show as drums and all the other diatonics are ok too.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 17:30:32
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Widetrack
Scott:
I did that, selected "diatonic" and that got the keyboard to appear on the left. but the notes are still drum diamonds, and when i close and re-open the PRV, it's back to the same druim map thing.
WT
Your MIDI track output(s) are probably assigned to Drum Maps. Change the MIDI track output(s) to a regular MIDI port/channel rather than a Drum Map. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar 8 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ - http://www.musictechshop.com/ - http://www.cooltechshop.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 17:34:44
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Chappel
How do you do the opposite? When I use Session Drummer 2, the notes appear as standard notes with duration. I would much prefer to see them as the little diamonds with no duration.
Assign the MIDI track output to a Drum Map.
Scott
Not exactly what I wanted but I'll work with it. Thanks for the tip.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 18:32:48
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Does every key on the keyboard produce the drum notes when you're using those 8 patchs?
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 19:06:51
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Wookiee:
I don't know.
Can you tell me how to determine that?
its is under one of the menu's can not remember which one at this moment. Will look it out tomorrow and get back to you.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/15 19:30:22
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How do I define a patch as a "drum" ? More to the point, how do I un-define a patch as a drum? I've clicked all thru Sonar's instrument def dialogs to no avail. .INS files are just ASCII text files. Open the .INS file in Notepad, and you can see how those patches are set up.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/16 13:18:51
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Wookiee:
I don't know.
Can you tell me how to determine that?
From main menu choose Options > Instruments click on define, select the instrument concerned and expand you should see something like this  Now check against the patches in question and see what type of note names have been assigned. If this does not help just shout and we will get there in the end.
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Re:Piano Roll view weirdness
2010/08/16 16:00:48
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Thank you Wookie. That was the right answer. Thank you all for addressing this frustrating waste of time. Good grief, what a pain. Here's the procedure: Options Menu Instruments Define (Left pane) K2000 (your synth name) Patch numbers for banks 0 = K2000 program Bank 000 (your bank name) Note names for patches. Most banks will have an icon in here named "Diatonic*". The asterisk means its the default for the patch. All drum patches in the bank should have an icon labeled with patch number and drum kit the patch uses. The drum kits are in the right-pane folder named "Note Names". If you want to use one for a patch, drag it to the left pane and type in the patch #. BTW, I got in touch with Tim Burgess at http://www.raisedbar.net/ He makes a freeware utility called "InsMaker" which he says polls the K2000s current patches and makes a new ins file from that data. It's freeware and he offered me one. Particularly since I found some more anomalous entries in my ins file, I'm going to take him up on it. Others may want to as well. Thank you Tim. Now maybe I can make some music.
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