EQing single violin - advice from Headway Music Audio

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2010/08/15 21:04:30 (permalink)

EQing single violin - advice from Headway Music Audio

I've generally haven't had much luck finding EQ advice for violin, so when I stumbled on this advice in the instructions for "The Band" (a piezo pickup for strings by www. headwaymusicaudio.com) I thought it'd be nice to share.

"..violin problem areas to consider cutting lie between 2-5kHz and between 800-950Hz.  This Upper Mid/Presence – low Treble area may need a little rolling off.  The other obvious problem areas to cut are the potentially problematic frequencies below the fundamental of your bottom string.  If you cut this area you will cut body handling noise, boom, and maybe some residual hum and boxiness, as well as low end feedback.  If required you may cut below this area as follows:
Violin :  200Hz
Viola  :  120 Hz
Cello   :   60Hz "

I haven't tried this yet, but will be recording a violin solo part and working on the mix over the next couple of weeks.


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    Re:EQing single violin - advice from Headway Music Audio 2010/08/17 19:18:12 (permalink)
    Those are reasonable starting points, but it really depends entirely on the sample. There is no single EQ formula that works equally well for any instrument, just as there is none for any microphone or voice.

    For the orchestral shootout, I did a rendition with Miroslav Philharmonik. I had just acquired the library at the time we began the project, so I was still feeling my way around in it. The first problem I encountered was the violins had an annoying screechiness to them that was particularly troublesome in this piece. I treated it using the standard method for identifying the most audible resonances in a sound source, the swept high-Q filter.

    What I did was loop on the most annoying section of the song, soloing the violin. I inserted an instance of the Sonitus EQ, enabled one bandpass filter, set its Q to 0.5 and the gain as high as could go. I started about where my ear told me the screech was centered and started moving the filter's midpoint up and down until I had achieved the absolute worst possible, painful-sounding violin. I slowly widened the filter until further widening stopped making it sound worse. Then I inverted the filter and made it a -4db notch.

    There were two frequencies I had to notch out, one at 450Hz and another at 3KHz. The 450Hz notch I kept narrow, the 3KHz notch was wider. But I might not use those exact settings for any old violin patch. It's specific to that particular sample, the formants and resonances of the sampled instrument, and to some extent this particular melody.

    All acoustical instruments have resonances. Here is a graph showing the typical resonances in both the air and in the wood for a violin. Note the wood resonance at 440Hz. This may correspond to the 450Hz notch I had to put into the Miroslav violin sample, I don't really know.

    If you want to get an idea just how complex a violin's sound is (and any other acoustical string instrument for that matter), here's an introduction to the subject. Note that in graph at the bottom of the page, the peak appears to be more like 300Hz rather than the 200Hz cited in your reference, and there appears to actually be a dip at 200Hz, so if your violin matches that example, notching 200Hz could actually be harmful.

    post edited by bitflipper - 2010/08/17 19:22:28


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    Re:EQing single violin - advice from Headway Music Audio 2010/08/17 21:15:08 (permalink)
    Thanks Dave.  Yeah, I know there are no perfect formulas or presets, but I'd never heard or thought of that technique of expanding the Q until the sound doesn't become any more annoying then inverting it.  I like that.

    I like those links too.  I wonder if that would help us the next time she's shopping for an instrument (record the open strings and compare them to the Strad) on a spectrum analyzer.  Of course there's more to it than that, but shopping for a violin is not a simple affair.

    I hope to get around to comping the violing and working on the mix this weekend, so thanks for the tips.

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    Re:EQing single violin - advice from Headway Music Audio 2010/08/17 22:41:16 (permalink)
    Ok, so get ready for a big piece of advie... eeeh eeeemmm.... what Bit said!

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