west malvern
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Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
Hi
Just downloaded SSD EX loving the sounds but could do with some assistance as how to set up routing for multiple outs with that pesky Kontakt player.
Ideally would like mono outs for all individual kit pieces and stereo out for room.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
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Sijel
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/09 15:47:50
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Same here - as soon as I figure something out, I'll reply.
Meanwhile, I've pushing Slate to deliver .sfz files for Session Drummer 3 like they did for the example kits that ship with Sonar. They claimed there was no demand for people to use SSD with SD3.
You may want to put a bug in their ears that you would like this.
For me, it's a pain to be sometimes using SD3 (e.g. with the Old Zep Kit) on one project, but then switch to Kontakt to use a slightly different kit from Slate on another song.
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/09 16:02:43
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Yes, it's a huge pain for me too. I like to have stereo OH, stereo rooms, and mono everything else. The thing is, every time you change to a new kit the output routing goes all screwball again. The i/o names inside Sonar and Kontact don't match up. My solution was to find cymbals and hats that I could work with and get a template dialed, then use Trigger to replace my kicks/snares/toms if needed. Much faster than fussing with Kontakt's ever-changing outputs.
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Sijel
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/09 22:07:36
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The thing is, every time you change to a new kit the output routing goes all screwball again. The i/o names inside Sonar and Kontact don't match up. YES!! I forgot to mention that nightmare.  Sometimes, I wonder if I should just try to free up time to build the darn .sfz's myself. It's not hard - just very tedious since SSD has so many velocity layers. Also, I suspect he has some scripting in the background - not sure how I'd be able to duplicate that. Oh well... hey, let's all email them and ask for Session Drummer Support. I saw earlier this year that Steve asked for input from this community... maybe.. just maybe, he's really listening.
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west malvern
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 08:45:35
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Have emailed Slate support - cant believe that it cant be set up as required will let you know what i find out.
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DaveT
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 14:50:18
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I've been a Slate user since Volume one of his drum samples. I tried that Kontact player as well. What a P.O.S. product. Slate sent me instructions, but I couldn't make it work properly.
I'm using SD3 with Slate samples now. Works every time, no issues.... make music!!!
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Mesh
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 15:01:30
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Hi Dave, I bought into a group buy a few months ago from ESoundz (Ultimate Drums II) which also uses Kontakt, but I'd like to use SD3 instead. There's a ton of drum kits from various drummers (including Slates Old Zep Kit) that are just waiting to be used, but I'm not very familiar with the free Kontakt player/Infinite Player so it's just sitting in my drive.... Is there a way to rout out these drum kits into SD3? Thanks,
post edited by Mesh - 2010/09/10 15:03:17
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 15:25:49
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I'm using SD3 with Slate samples now. Works every time, no issues Please enlighten us on the process you go through to use the EX samples in SD3. BTW - I requested the WAV files from Slate - and they sent me WAVs for the kick, snare and a tom for each kit. But, as far as I can tell, the wav files are (almost) useless to SD3 without a .sfz file describing the velocity layer switching and other effects. I can drag ONE Wav to the kick... but then it's the same kick sound for soft, medium or hard hitting. How did you get around this?
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 16:12:20
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Mesh & Sijel,
I have all the Slate samples from v1 - 3.5. They are .wav files and I just loaded them one a time into SD2. You are right in that they are just a single sample, one sound. Someone posted the instructions for building an .sfz file and just for grins I built one using some Slate snare samples. It worked OK, but I didn't consider the results worth the work involved.
Now days I'm using the three Slate kits included with 8.5 P and SD3. For me, these kits alone are enough for me to create the drum parts I need. They're not perfect, but they work for rock & roll. So the short answer is I don't do work arounds unless I have to. I use what works out of the box and call it good.
I'm all about making music, not trying to fix NI software. :>) FWIW, the only NI product I use is the B4. It works
as expected, always has.
Good luck to you both.
DaveT
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Mesh
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 16:54:58
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 17:11:47
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Hi,
I use SSD every day with multi-outs, its actually not that difficult to configure, however, so I don't lead you up the garden path I will post the procedure tomorrow morning when I have had chance to do explain it correctly.
but.....off the top of my head it goes something like this .... basically you open SSD in Sonar (just the basic kontakt 4 VST or 3.5 which ever you are using NOT the 8 output or 16 output version!!!!), select all outputs when asked then open Kontakt, in the output of each instrument you select the output you want to route it to in sonar. Once you have done this SAVE AS DEFAULT, then RESET OUTPUT MAP in Kontakt. Next go to Sonar and route the output of each instrument to the appropriate drum in Kontakt. I also renamed each instrument to something I understood Kick ...Snare etc.
You can also delete all the excess channels that Sonar creates when you load all outputs in the initial setup so you only have the parts of the kit you want.... Kick through to SSD and NRG rooms
Once saved as default if you change to a new kit, it may only come out on one channel ..... usually the kick, just hit reset output map again and voila.... multi out again.
Now you SHOULD be good to go. Save as template and never do this again!
I hope this helps and not to confusing.
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Mesh
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 17:21:06
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Thanks Stinga!!! This is good info and gives me something to work on..... I appreciate this & any tips you can provide on the kontakt player & Sonar usage!  Cheers,
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/10 23:00:04
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STinGA
Hi,
I use SSD every day with multi-outs, its actually not that difficult to configure,
Configuring it is easy, once you have got your head around the very un-intuative output assignment in Kontakt. I struggeled with that for a long time, then one day a light came on  I am a few thousand miles from my DAW at the moment and I can't check, but I would say the method you have outlined is generally correct.
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/11 03:05:11
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Configuring it is easy, once you have got your head around the very un-intuative output assignment in Kontakt. Hi Glyn, I agree it is abit confusing at first. Appologies if my first comment came over as sanctimonious...... not intended.
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/11 03:19:50
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/11 12:49:39
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DaveT
Mesh & Sijel,
I have all the Slate samples from v1 - 3.5. They are .wav files and I just loaded them one a time into SD2. You are right in that they are just a single sample, one sound. Someone posted the instructions for building an .sfz file and just for grins I built one using some Slate snare samples. It worked OK, but I didn't consider the results worth the work involved.
Now days I'm using the three Slate kits included with 8.5 P and SD3. For me, these kits alone are enough for me to create the drum parts I need. They're not perfect, but they work for rock & roll. So the short answer is I don't do work arounds unless I have to. I use what works out of the box and call it good.
I'm all about making music, not trying to fix NI software. :>) FWIW, the only NI product I use is the B4. It works
as expected, always has.
Good luck to you both.
DaveT
Dave What are the "3" kits? I know Sizzle and Led zep are Steven Slate but wan't aware of a third? Thanks Frank
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/11 22:14:42
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DaveT
Mesh & Sijel,
I have all the Slate samples from v1 - 3.5. They are .wav files and I just loaded them one a time into SD2. You are right in that they are just a single sample, one sound. Someone posted the instructions for building an .sfz file and just for grins I built one using some Slate snare samples. It worked OK, but I didn't consider the results worth the work involved.
Now days I'm using the three Slate kits included with 8.5 P and SD3. For me, these kits alone are enough for me to create the drum parts I need. They're not perfect, but they work for rock & roll. So the short answer is I don't do work arounds unless I have to. I use what works out of the box and call it good.
I'm all about making music, not trying to fix NI software. :>) FWIW, the only NI product I use is the B4. It works
as expected, always has.
Good luck to you both.
DaveT
Dave
What are the "3" kits? I know Sizzle and Led zep are Steven Slate but wan't aware of a third?
Thanks
Frank
Frank, I use the Steven Slate Sizzlekit_wet 1, 2 and 3 most of the time. They are at the bottome of the Acoustic list. DaveT
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Re:Steven Slate EX Routing multiple outs
2010/09/11 22:31:42
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DaveT
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DaveT
Mesh & Sijel,
I have all the Slate samples from v1 - 3.5. They are .wav files and I just loaded them one a time into SD2. You are right in that they are just a single sample, one sound. Someone posted the instructions for building an .sfz file and just for grins I built one using some Slate snare samples. It worked OK, but I didn't consider the results worth the work involved.
Now days I'm using the three Slate kits included with 8.5 P and SD3. For me, these kits alone are enough for me to create the drum parts I need. They're not perfect, but they work for rock & roll. So the short answer is I don't do work arounds unless I have to. I use what works out of the box and call it good.
I'm all about making music, not trying to fix NI software. :>) FWIW, the only NI product I use is the B4. It works
as expected, always has.
Good luck to you both.
DaveT
Dave
What are the "3" kits? I know Sizzle and Led zep are Steven Slate but wan't aware of a third?
Thanks
Frank
Frank,
I use the Steven Slate Sizzlekit_wet 1, 2 and 3 most of the time. They are at the bottome of the Acoustic list.
DaveT
I know that. You said 3 kits. Sizzle is one, Led Zep is 2. Only 2 SS kits. The wet etc are just FX and processing of the 2 kits. Been using them a lot. I also have SSD EX which I like and use. Just double checking.
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