Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread...

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2010/09/12 10:28:11 (permalink)

Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread...

Hey folks -

Out of nowhere I'm having dropout issues, both recording AND playback. Doesn't seem to be a problem in any other project, just this particular one. Once I get it going, I'm trying to do EQ mixes, then that's all she wrote. Just drops out and I cannot get it to play at all. Here are specs:

HP Desktop w/Windows XP SP2
M-Audio Profire 610 Firewire interface
4 Gig memory
Sonar Home Studio v. 6.2

Just downloaded the current drivers for the M-Audio and that seemed to do the trick...until I started messing with EQ on the tracks. I'm using Sonitus EQ to mix. Dropped out the second I started to Eq.

Any clue as to what I'm missing? I've adjusted the i/o buffer until I'm blue in the face. Doesn't seem to make a difference.  Can't adjust he latency - it's greyed out so I don't have access. Not sure why that is. It's set for "fast".

Thanks everyone.

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    Slugbaby
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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2010/09/12 11:08:18 (permalink)
    I've had a few dropouts that only happen in particular projects, and it's been a corruption somewhere in the project file.
    I've had to drag all the audio and midi clips into a fresh project and rebuild it, deleting the old project file.

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2010/09/12 15:01:40 (permalink)
    Any clue as to what I'm missing? I've adjusted the i/o buffer until I'm blue in the face. Doesn't seem to make a difference.  Can't adjust he latency - it's greyed out so I don't have access. Not sure why that is. It's set for "fast".

    if you're in WDM driver mode then you adjust the latency buffers by moving the latency slider in OPTIONS>AUDIO.  if you're in ASIO driver mode, then you adjust the latency buffers in the m-audio's control panel and it shouldn't be greyed out if you're in asio mode.

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2010/09/13 20:40:44 (permalink)
    Slugbaby,

    You're a genius! Thank you...creating a new project by dropping in the tracks did the trick. Thanks!

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/25 10:25:05 (permalink)
    OK  I'm in the same boat.  Slugbaby replied
    "I've had to drag all the audio and midi clips into a fresh project and rebuild it, deleting the old project file. "

    How do I do this?  Is it really just as simple as Dragging them to a new file?

    So I create a new file and just drag them?

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/25 10:52:28 (permalink)
    So I create a new file and just drag them?



    You have to drop them in the new project. 

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/25 11:39:49 (permalink)
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    I'm new to this, so excuse this really dumb question.  How do I "drop them in"?
     
    Could you walk me through it?
     
    I create a new project and then.....?

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/26 08:36:52 (permalink)
    I think SHS7 doesn't allow multiple projects to be open at the same time, so that makes it more difficult to do.  you can't just drag and drop from one project to another like dave suggested (he probably didn't know about the multiple projects limitation).

    what you'd have to do would be to export the raw audio of each track individually using the FILE>EXPORT then checking the boxes in the popup window to export TRACKS.  but select each track individually as you do this each time.

    then import the tracks into a new project.

    that will take a considerable amount of time.

    however, be certain that this is your problem before continuing.  dropout shouldn't NORMALLY occur because of a corrupt project.  that doesn't happen that often.  dropout is normally caused by your soundcard and its buffer settings in sonar.  I see you have a UA-25EX, so it should be able to handle the projects without dropout as long as your settings are correct and you're not trying to use it and the onboard soundcard at the same time.

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/26 21:29:28 (permalink)
    Thanks Beagle  now you have me on a hunt.  You stated
    "be certain that this is your problem before continuing.  dropout shouldn't NORMALLY occur because of a corrupt project.  that doesn't happen that often.  dropout is normally caused by your soundcard and its buffer settings in sonar.  I see you have a UA-25EX, so it should be able to handle the projects without dropout as long as your settings are correct and you're not trying to use it and the onboard soundcard at the same time."



    And as usual you were right.    I changed my Playback I/O and Record I/O buffers from 128 to 256.  No dropouts.   YEAH!!!!


    I also made sure my "Sounds and Audio Device" under control panel all point to the UA-25EX.


    So the next thing that caught my eye was my Disk Meter goes as high as 69.   Should I be concerned?  
    The CPU stays at 10%.   The project files go to the External drive which is 98% empty.   I have defragged  both the internal and external drives.  I ran the DPC Latency checker and I am all green good to go.

    Another question is my Record Bit and Render Bit are both 16.   Import Bit is original         Are these good settings?

    I'm sampling at 44.1  should I go to 48?


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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/27 06:47:35 (permalink)
    increasing your sampling rate will INCREASE your CPU and DISK.    disk meter going as high as 69% is a little bit of a concern and might cause you problems.  you have listed in your signature that you have a WD 1TB external drive for SHS7 projects - does that mean you have your OPTIONS>GLOBAL>PROJECT FOLDERS>cakewalk projects> set to your external hard drive?

    what are the specs of the WD drive?  a lot of the large WD drives are "green" which means they spin at variable rates but max at 5400rpm which is too low for stream recording audio.  never buy a "green" drive for audio or you'll have this problem.

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/27 14:33:14 (permalink)
    Beagle,
     
    The WD external is 5400  (I know, I know), It is not Green though.
     
    I am set up as OPTIONS>GLOBAL>PROJECT FOLDERS.  Should anything else go there?
     

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/09/27 14:53:28 (permalink)
    no, I wouldn't put anything else from sonar on that drive.  5400rpm AND USB is very likely why your disk usage is high.  usually a 7200rpm on USB is fine, but 5400rpm drives are not that great for audio recording and can cause high disk usage and even dropout.

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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/10/19 16:19:36 (permalink)
    The driver mode i'm in is MME (32-bit) and i'm having the same problems. Any ideas?
     
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    Re:Dropout...Yes, another dropout thread... 2011/10/20 02:28:40 (permalink)
    this is your first post in this thread, I don't even know what your exact problem is or what soundcard you're using.  I can't give you any advice that way.

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