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2010/09/14 15:42:44 (permalink)

Tascam us1641 users! Read this

Add this Note Oct 4 2010.
I'm still curious as to what the RTL would be if you install the new drivers V 2.0. Or if you have a 64 bit system. I tried but they failed. I had to revert back to V1.0. I have emailed Tascam support for advice on which drivers I should be using. There answer ( get this) "Use the old drivers if they work for you!"  
There's no problem recording normally in sync. I did a test by plugging output to input and re-record a kick drum and it is perfectly on time.  


I'm wondering if any of you other users have tested the Tascam us 1641 for RTL, and if your figures show better than mine?

So far it's been doing a flawless job of recording our band live. Sonar adjusts to whatever your sound cards bad habits are so I have not noticed any latency while working with it. 
  I tried looking up the specs and could not find info for the us1641's
Jim Roseberry pointed me at a RTL checker from CEntrance its free download here;

Download this and test your RTL and post your results here.

http://centrance.com/down...structions.shtml 

So I ran it and was shocked at the terrible results 

At Normal  128 samples 44.1 I get 28.1 ms
At Low Latency 256 samples 44.1 I get 22.5 ms
At Lowest Latency 128 samples  44.1 I get 15.7 
ms

I can't use the lowest setting with this computer. But even if I could that's still to much to use this interface for real time efxs.





post edited by johnnyV - 2010/12/22 20:30:33

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    johnnyV
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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/09/21 19:31:39 (permalink)
    I did a little more experimenting and I'll post here just in case someone is thinking about purchasing this unit. 

    In trying to improve my RTL I tried to update the drivers to the latest version 2.0
    I had trouble installing them. It would time out half way through.
    Few other stupid things resulted in a clean install of OS
    I started a thread about my test results here which was interesting in regard to Machine Latency. using dpclat meter.
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2094721

    Anyhow after the fresh OS install I managed to install the newer drivers without a problem.
    But now Sonar would crash every time I'd try and play a file even at Normal Latency setting.
    The RTL test showed the same results anyhow so I re installed drivers from the CD back to ver. 1.0
    So everything is working and I still stuck with the "Normal" latency setting and real bad RTL results

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    A footnote added Oct 4 2010:
     I performed this test with my M-Audio fast track pro and nothing changed, The latency stayed under 30ms.



    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/10/05 21:39:43

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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/09/23 12:38:07 (permalink)
    Anyone out there????

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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/09/28 18:03:27 (permalink)
    Just an update on my tests,
    I did the test where you take a kick drum track and route it to the Tascam's output and then back to an input, record the track and compare timing. It was right on. I zoomed in so 1 second filled the screen.
    So even though this interface has pour RTL specs Sonar keeps it in line and my recordings are not off time.


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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/10/04 14:39:31 (permalink)
    217 people have looked at this thread but I would still like to hear how other folks are doing with this interface.

    Here is my answer from support


    John,
     
    More than likely you need to update the firmware for the US-1641 to 1.02. The 2.00 driver added Windows 7 32 bit compatibility and correct a few issues. If the version that you are currently are using is working fine then you could always stay with those.


    Doesn't answer my question regarding why Version 2.0 crashed Sonar. But good news is the answer came back within an hour.
    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/10/04 16:49:12

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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/10/05 14:27:13 (permalink)
    I keep looking because I'm curious, but not because I have a tascam.

    I will not spend my money on tascam devices.  in the past they have proven they have poor drivers for their digital converter external soundcards and besides that they really pissed me off about the whole gigastudio thing, so I am continuing to hold a grudge against them.

    I was hoping for the people who purchase the US1641 that they had changed their philosophy and have written good drivers because the device itself looks really good.  but alas it looks like you're proving my point - they have not changed and their drivers are crap.

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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/10/05 21:36:23 (permalink)
    Thanks Beagle, Ya I'm wondering why the Tascam users are being so quiet?
    I don't have the time right now do dig though old posts but I know a few chimed in a while back when someone was about to order the us2000. It does not have MIDI jacks and is 3x the price. You can bet the drivers are also sketchy too.
    I just want to know if anyone is using this interface on windows 7 64 bit and what the latency is.
    (ps -thanks for the bump too :)

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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/10/14 23:44:41 (permalink)

    I just want to know if anyone is using this interface on windows 7 64 bit and what the latency is. 


    I'm waiting for someone to tell this story as well! Giving this thread another bump.
    Just installed a new 1TB hard drive, and installed Windows 7 x64, so I could install and use the full 8GB of RAM my desktop is capable of. I was planning on buying a 1641 to replace my US122-L but would also like to hear from someone else that has one and uses it with a similar setup.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/10/17 13:03:55 (permalink)
    Thanks for the Bump BT21, I see there are a few users and thanks for diging up that other thread. Now at least I know who's being quiet out there.
    Like I say there's no problem with recording as Sonar just adjust things to line up. You just won't be able to use it for things like Guitar Rig. For the price it was still a good investment and I have not had problems recording 10 tracks live into an old laptop. But my question still remains, does this unit perform better on the new drivers? Mooch?

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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/11/27 15:40:42 (permalink)
    I've been struggling with Sonar 8.5 and a new US 1641 unit. I had in the past used an old Aardvark unit with great success, but am having problems with the Tascam -- haven't got to the point of worrying about latency yet...

    The biggest problem is that Sonar seems to have trouble finding the device. With a specific bootup sequence I can get it to work fine -- I see the Tascam in the Audio devices list. Other time sit just doesn't show up in the list. I've tried powering  the Tascam off and back on and sometimes that works. The Tascam control panel itself comes up and seems connected, and Windows 7 (64) seems to recognize the device and believe it is healthy.

    I've updated the Tascam driver -- itself an odyssey of some epic frustration -- but no joy. Really hoping I don't have to return the thing...
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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/11/27 20:07:18 (permalink)
    Are you using Windows 7 or Vista?
    As you see the reason for this thread is I want to know if anyone is successfully using it with the newer drivers. They didn't work for me with XP SP3. The old drivers are working fine.
    I have no trouble with windows or Sonar recognizing it.
    I even hot swap my M-Audio and the Tascam sometimes and it just changes in the control panel without a hitch, Of course this is without Sonar running. Make sure you activate the Tascam before you open Sonar.

    I did totally obliterate my on boards audio drivers. I did a fresh install of windows and didn't install the drivers for the audio ( or internet stuff)  in both my computers.
    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/11/28 14:06:27
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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/11/27 20:41:25 (permalink)
    I have a us1641 that I bought from a friend who needed some cash. It seemed to work on most systems.  Not much luck with my laptop but it works on my old desktop with xp sp3. Used it the other day with my main system ( windows 7 64 ) and it seemed to work as well as anything else I've ever used.
     There was an update in the manual that said to use a non VIA USB controller card. Up until then I wasn't aware that there were different types of USB controller cards. That's probably why it doesn't work well with my laptop. IMO if it works good with your system, it's the bang for the buck.  Sixteen inputs for 3 bills, or whatever they go for is what I would consider a bargain. Decent pres. too.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/11/28 14:04:03 (permalink)
    Thanks Jimmy, That's the answer I've been waiting for, so it does work with W7 64. And yes thats a strange thing regarding the USB ports. I checked both my computers and they were fine. But that might be jkotola's issue.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 INFO FYI 2010/11/28 17:31:51 (permalink)
    I was just mixing some stuff so I had it on a high latency setting but it will work on the lowest setting for playback.  Haven't tracked with it on that system yet. I  did track something with it on my other desktop, which is only a 3.2 P4. Worked fine but I was only tracking vocals. Just a couple of tracks at a time. Haven't pushed the limit yet.  I may check into a PCI controller card for my laptop.  It should make a sweet little mobile rig if I can get it working right.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/11/29 15:38:20 (permalink)
    I have a US 1641.  I'm using Windows 7 64.  I use the 2.01 or 2.02 drivers and 1.02 firmware for the US1641.  The last drivers made a huge difference in stability for me, so I highly recommend them. 

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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/11/29 16:03:09 (permalink)
    Hey, thanks a million. If your bored and get a chance  I'd love it if one of you guys ran the Round trip latency check using the Centrance tester ( link in first post) I'm hoping things would be better than what I got.
    I'm optimistic that a new computer will fix my minor issues and obviously it's time to leave XP in the dust.
    Thanks once again for replies.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/11/29 16:13:08 (permalink)
    I was curious as well. I think I'll probably be back to run a similar test on my sound card.

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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/11/29 16:34:42 (permalink)
    It's pretty easy.
    Just to recap

    Both tests require you loop back from an output to an input of your interface.

    Round trip Latency test download - http://centrance.com/downloads/ltu/
    You can play with different buffer settings too.
     
    Offset test- To see if Sonar is doing it's job of adjusting for latency.
    Use a transient track like a snare for playback, and arm a new track to record the output and then zoom in and compare the peaks for lining up. Watch your monitoring set up or you'll get a feedback loop.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/12/22 20:42:45 (permalink)
    Another story -
    I normally use the Tascam on my laptop and my M-Audio Fast track pro on my desktop.
    I recorded a couple live band projects using the laptop and took them home to do some overdubs and add MIDI.
    I copied the files over to my desktop and though it might be a better idea to stick with the Tascam so I hooked it up. No problems at all with guitar and bass audio tracks, but the minute I started working on MIDI ( TTS-1) , pops and crackles, ??
    The settings are more or less the same as my M audios 256 ms buffer 48hz - 16 bit.  etc.
    I swapped back to the M audio and no problem with MIDI.
    So I still believe the drivers ( V 1.0)  for XP are not very good. It works great for audio but so did my Sound Blaster Audigy.




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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/12/28 10:59:39 (permalink)
    Johnny, 

    After your post in my thread I tried out the RTL software on my Tascam. The result at 128 samples (44100hz) is 23.58ms.  I can't get playback at a lower latency then that.

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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2010/12/28 13:30:50 (permalink)
    Thanks for taking the time to post results stokedboss,, , I wished a few more would too.
    So looks like the results are about the same then with a newer, faster machine running the latest drivers .
    One would conclude that RTL is a factor of interface design and not anything to do with your computer specs. But you should be able to run at lower buffer settings on a faster computer one would think? 

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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2011/05/17 18:23:36 (permalink)
    Hi I realize this is some time ago[7 months]but Im having a Horrendous time after paying almost $300US for a TASCAM US 600![Australia/the land of crap drugs & expensive everything!]after 3utterly fruitless weeks! guess what.....NO SOUND!lol After getting some gear from U.S.A. for a really incredible deal/delivery time,I felt guilty & thought I would support the local dealers! BAD MISTAKE! so long/short A mates $30 Behrrr UCA 222 worked flawlessly in X1 in 3 MINUTES![NO MIDI I wanted the US600 to talk/through put[?] the insanely cheap 2488neo I scored]So now the super TEDIOUS trip of trying to get an exchange/replacement with a store who ASSURED me the US600 would definately work in X1!! TO ANY PERSON THINKING OF THIS INTERFACE in SONAR "FORGET IT"I did every tweak/fix ever written for W7 Latency etc etc.Hope some one finds this useful,PEACE[is somewhere?]              Dell XPS 1502 i72630QM 4GB RAM 750GB HDD Nvidia geforce540 Sonar X1studio[!?]sonar8.5LE sonar7producer, appalling readings with DPClatency checker but no pops/crackles? KRK g5s.
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    Re:Tascam us1641 users! Read this 2011/05/17 22:56:49 (permalink)
     Even though your interface is a completely different model,  We do share one item in common, Crappy drivers-- . I see they still have iffy driver support, The only drivers that show for your interface are  "windows 64 or 32 bit?? No mention of XP, Vista or 7?? That cannot be a good thing as each OS is different I would think.
    Oh well. I guess Tascam "used " to make good stuff.
    I'm still happy enough with the sound quality. But very bad RTL and I cannot get the MIDI to stop crapping out on my desktop. Works fine for live recording of audio with my laptop so I don't care as that's all I use it for. Next time around looks like RME for me.

    And you say your having issues and you haven't dealt with the latency spikes?? Why??
    If you don't optimize your computer it is just a office/ gaming computer and will not work as a DAW. I don't care who's interface you try and use. Get those spikes under control. Funny you paid $300 for the US600 with only 6 inputs  when the us1641 is selling for $200 and has 16 inputs.
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    post edited by johnnyV - 2011/05/17 23:06:10

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