mrmidget81
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Audio effects with midi input
I'm trying to apply an effect on a vocal track that takes the audio and a midi note and transposes the audio to the note. However, i can't figure out how to give it the midi note. I can apply it as an audio effect, but that just mutes the track because it doesn't have any midi data going to it as well. Thanks in advance!
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/17 21:30:49
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However, i can't figure out how to give it the midi note. If I understand your question, and thats a BIG if!!!! You need to convert the audio to MIDI. Audio snap or V-Vocal can do this. I would use Audio snap What effect are you applying. My Digitech Voclaist VR does sometihng like your saying. If I understand what your saying, and like I said, thats a big if!! Cj
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mrmidget81
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/17 22:13:25
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CJaysMusic However, i can't figure out how to give it the midi note. If I understand your question, and thats a BIG if!!!! You need to convert the audio to MIDI. Audio snap or V-Vocal can do this. I would use Audio snap What effect are you applying. My Digitech Voclaist VR does sometihng like your saying. If I understand what your saying, and like I said, thats a big if!! Cj The plugin works on audio. It's a VST that's added in the audio effects folder. So it manipulates the audio on the track you apply it to. However the plugin has an audio input and a midi input (so it takes in audio and midi and spits out audio). I just need to know how to set that up so it can have a midi and audio input.
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/17 22:52:29
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Ill ask again, What effect are you applying? Not naming the effect isnt going to get you an answer. Each effect has different ways of doing things. Maybe someone has used this effect before and not saying the name will only hurt you Is it an effect that can turn audio into midi??
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mrmidget81
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/17 23:50:19
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it's called zwinger. I'm not sure how else to put it. It takes in one audio and one midi input and outputs one audio line. So no it doesn't convert audio to midi. It doesn't put out midi. Just audio. I need to get midi TO it, which is the problem
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 00:10:10
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If it takes in a midi and audio input, then you need a midi and audio input. Your missing the midi input. Audio is not midi, Midi is data, not audio, so your missing an midi input. Try inserting a midi track with some midi data on that track or read its user manual I did a search for that plugin and didn't find anything. Why dont you read the documentation that came with your plugin to see how it works. Plugins come with a pdf file in most cases or go to its web site for the manual Cj
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mrmidget81
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 00:27:50
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i know what midi and audio is. I can set up an audio and a midi track seperately. I just can't get the midi data to go to the effect that's in the effect bin of the audio track. It didn't come with a pdf.
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 00:49:48
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I just can't get the midi data to go to the effect that's in the effect bin of the audio track Try routing your midi track to the audio track. That is the only way to send midi data to an audio track, just route it to it. If you tried that, then see below. Maybe the plugin doesnt work the way you think it does. Maybe it doesn't work. Its hard to say when you have no papers and documentation for the plugin. Most plugins come with a pdf file. I dunno why your doesn't. But you should go to the manufacture of the plugin
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 06:32:19
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huh if there is a way to do this i wanna know think about it You want a way to use a midi note's "audiogesture" to affect the vocal tracks audio, so that the vocal tracks audio takes on the result of the "mixing" of the two? not the sound of the midi just its "audiogesture" so you don't lose the original vocal track's timbre or tone? or vice versa? meaning, it takes it on? work either way I would hope............. hmmm an effect to affect a sampler's methodology I believe? the more I think about it I bet it exists the way to do this, I mean...... or, are you just trying to pitch correct a note? (I just realised we could have over analysed this) yep I wanna know.......... if some technology that cool exists miau aloha gato
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 07:05:00
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I use Sugar Bytes Artillery which is a VST audio effect which can make use MIDI input to control it. It may not be exactly the same as what you're trying to achieve, but I suppose it might offer some clues: 1. Configure the VST effect (in my case Artillery) as a soft synth via the plug in manager (Plug In Properties -> Configure as Synth). 2. Insert a VST instrument track (eg. Dimension Pro). 3. Add the effect (Artillery) to the instrument tracks effects bin. Note the effect will be listed under Soft Synths, not Audio FX, because of what you did in step 1. 4. Insert a midi track and change its output to the effect you added in step 3 (Artillery). 5. You can now control the effect via MIDI using the MIDI track created in step 4. I hope that's of some help rather than confusing the issue!
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 07:22:37
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+1 on what Benstat said..... It works on ANY "audio" effect you might have that can be controlled with midi notes.... The key process being configuring the effect plug in you have as a "synth"!
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 09:22:12
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aloha yes I had assumed that I could control most any mechanical or virtual effect via midi including adjusting the lights on my midi desk : ) i wanna transform that sucker ............ i want the midi to wear the audio like a coat and/or a sock puppet with my hands on the controls make him dance i saw a demo about treating audio like you treat midi by Peter Neubaker http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6281 but thats just isolating the tone and putzing around with it in time and pitch magically, i might add, but i wanna control it after i isolate it play it (i just went and watched this video again...........wow does everybody else here know about this all ready? and I'm just late to the party?) hmmmm one way to do it is........yeah its a sampler, i see, now that im typing this (thought is a wonderful thing) but it's more than just a sampler i'm describing isn't it? maybe not, just control the sample via midi sequencer out of SONAR ok cool found an/my answer did the other guy get his answer? miau aloha gato
post edited by tomas gato - 2010/09/18 09:42:10
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 12:40:45
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mrmidget81: If I understand correctly, I might be able to help you. It sounds like you need to configure your effect as a synth so you can route MIDI to it from a MIDI track when it has been added to an audio track as an audio effect. Do this using the following procedure: - Invoke the Cakewalk Plugin Manager from the Tools menu to display the Plugin Manager dialog
- In the Plug-in Categories listbox, select the category of plugin (in your case probably VST Audio Effects or VST Instruments) to display your plugin in the Registered Plugins listbox
- In the Registered Plugins listbox, select your plugin
- In the VST Configuration groupbox at the bottom center of the Plugin Manager dialog, press the Plug-in Properties button to display the VST Plug-In Properties dialog
- In the VST Plug-In Properties dialog, check the Configure as synth checkbox
- Press OK to return to the Plugin Manager dialog
- On the Plugin Manager dialog, press Close to return to Sonar
Once this is done, you should be able to insert your effect as an audio effect on an audio track, and route MIDI to it from a MIDI track. Hope this helps, Paul
post edited by kellerpj - 2010/09/18 15:45:46
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johnnyV
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/18 14:43:04
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It the same with Antares Auto tune they all will respond to a midi note that will correct or just plain morph a note into that midi note. We used to use the digitech vocalist and it would create real time 3 part harmony's from midi. It was a track within the sequence played back. If you realy cheated you could lower the volume of your real voice and let the machine sing in key , can you say cheeze!!
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/19 16:09:32
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ok i have bad news and good new. Good news is problem resolved. Configuring it as a synth allowed me to route the midi to it. Bad news is once i set that up, for everyone who thought this would magically transpose audio real time without losing tone (including myself) it completely loses the sound of the original audio. I ran it on some vocals and afterwards you couldn't even tell it was a voice. I guess that's what i get from a free plugin online. Thanks again to everyone who helped!
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Re:Audio effects with midi input
2010/09/19 16:57:58
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Using vocal Turd polishers , even hi end , never removes the corn blobs...
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