MIDI Groove Clips (dragged) - velocity tweaks don't behave like P5. Help!

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2010/09/18 09:44:17 (permalink)

MIDI Groove Clips (dragged) - velocity tweaks don't behave like P5. Help!

Hey everyone,

I am a former Project5 user adapting to working entirely in 8.5 Producer Edition.  A forum search on my question didn't seem to turn up any results.  Is there a way to setup a MIDI groove clip in SONAR so tweaks made later in the project take affect from the first loop's instance?

For example:
  1. In P5, I could create a looping clip of a bassline. 
  2. I could extend that loop by dragging the length of a project
  3. While working throughout, I could tweak the loop with velocity changes by double-clicking and drawing in the loop construction pane.
  4. A dragged MIDI groove clip in SONAR just becomes a long isolated track and changes to velocity are independent.
  5. Is there no way to create a MIDI groove clip so velocity changes to notes take effect throughout?

I am confident Cakewalk thought of this and I am missing something.  I haven't yet found a solution in the Help material.  Any SONAR MIDI-guru advice would be very helpful please!

JL
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    DJRadboy
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    Re:MIDI Groove Clips (dragged) - velocity tweaks don't behave like P5. Help! 2010/09/18 09:49:48 (permalink)
    (I may have just answered my own question)

    Would the main solution to my issue be to program the pattern in the step sequencer? 

    Please feel free to comment.  I am curious to hear how others work in SONAR.

    JL
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    Re:MIDI Groove Clips (dragged) - velocity tweaks don't behave like P5. Help! 2010/09/18 11:27:57 (permalink)
    MIDI Groove clips are designed to work that way. Some info from the SONAR help...

    Here are some other features of MIDI Groove clips:
      * You can roll out copies in either direction (just like audio Groove clips). The Snap-to-Grid setting determines what beat boundaries (if any) you can roll to.

      You can edit individual repetitions without altering any other copies (unlike audio Groove clips). Note: If you then roll the edge of your MIDI Groove clip back over the area you edited, you will lose your edits.

      All new repetitions are based on the first clip (just like audio Groove clips). However, if you split a repetition from its original source clip, the repetition becomes independent: if you copy this clip, SONAR treats it as an original clip.

      You can import MIDI Groove clips from the Import MIDI dialog, the Loop Explorer view, and by dragging and dropping from the Windows Explorer.

      You can preview MIDI Groove clips in the Import MIDI dialog.

      You can edit MIDI Groove clips wherever you can edit regular MIDI clips.
    So yes, in answer to your question... use Step Sequencer clips instead. You can also record regular MIDI clips first if you'd like and then convert them to Step Sequencer clips for editing by right-clicking a regular MIDI clip, hovering your mouse over the gray bar at the bottom of the menu, and then choosing Convert MIDI Clip(s) to Step Sequencer.

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    post edited by garrigus - 2010/09/18 11:29:12
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    Re:MIDI Groove Clips (dragged) - velocity tweaks don't behave like P5. Help! 2010/09/18 13:06:07 (permalink)
    One problem is that Sonar does not edit the "rolled-out" clips.  Only the one you're editing at the moment.
    What I do is simply un-roll, make the edit, re-roll out.
     
    It's annoying, but there's actually some logic to not copying edits to other groove-clips.  There are times I make changes in one area only, and don't want all the roll-outs to embody those changes.
     
    However - it really should be an OPTION just like copying clips allows you to "link" them, in which case an edit made to one affects all the linked ones as well. 
      
    Scott already answered re Step Sequncer clips - which is an alternative.  Using both methods yields good results, as well.
     
     
    post edited by ba_midi - 2010/09/18 13:07:52

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