Gigabyte X58A-UD5

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2010/10/21 14:19:28 (permalink)

Gigabyte X58A-UD5

I am using a Gigabyte X58A-UD5  REV-1 mother board with 12 gigs of SD3  1333 kingston ram  and an i7  920  cpu running windows 7 64 and producer  64 8.53. I have 4 hard drives  I have UAD quad card installed and usually run at 24/96. since my computer upgrade from a quad core and consumer motherboard I have been getting some strange crashes. sometimes I get a voltage error for over (clocking  which i don't} I recently found out that the i7 chip can only run at 1066 rusulting in a multiplier to be used to  get advantage from the installed 13333 RAM. Has anyone else had this problem? does anyone know if the Revision 2 of this mother board is any more stable? My builder suggests I switch to an Asus motherboard. Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this that may be of help to be please? What have people using the  Gigabyte X58A-UD5    found to be the best and most stable Bios settings? Sorry for so many questions  but the computer builders  around my home town don't seem to be familiar with the high demands of pro recording applications. Thanks for any and all help or suggestions in advance.
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    thomasabarnes
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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/22 04:24:08 (permalink)
    I have the EX58-UD5, and I just had a similar experience a few days ago. I have 6 GB of A-Data 1600 MHz DDR3 memory, and I had to lower the multiplier to where the memory is running at 1066 MHz. I was getting automatic restarts and when I went to the BIOS I was prompted with a message that the system would revert back to defaults because of overclocking or something like that.

    It seems that if the multiplier is used to get the memory running at the memory's native speed (1600 MHz in my case and 1333 MHz in your case), other BIOS setting, such as voltage and cpu speed is are also affected, and thereby causing overheating problems.

    This is something I'd like to come to understand how to properly set. So, I'll be watching this thread. It just seems to me, if we buy memory that is said to run at a certain speed, we should be able to get it to run at that speed without the issues we're experiencing.

    Since my memory is is rated to run at 1600MHz, but my PC overheats when I set it to run at that speed, I'm trying to set it to at least 1333 MHz. However, I would like to be able to monitor the CPU tempature and voltage (as my memory is not suppose to exceed 1.5 volts), so I don't run into problems again.

    At the worst or at a disappointment level I can live with, I would just have to settle for keeping the memory running at 1066 MHz. I will go searching the Gigabyte site for any BIOS updates that may address my problem.

    Cya around, annidog. I'll be watching this thread. I think one solution is to use specific memory modules that is posted for our particular mobo on the Gigabyte site. I just happend to buy my memory before I went there and noticed the specific tested memory for my Mobo.

    I hope somebody can help us out here.
    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2010/10/22 04:29:25


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/22 07:55:32 (permalink)
    These are the settings for my i7-920 (my office computer, not my DAW which is i7-950)

    Don't know if it's any help,  but it is stable. (as is my DAW) 

     
    post edited by Karyn - 2010/10/25 08:40:42

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/22 09:15:04 (permalink)
    ahh the fun,
    setting up the bios for an X58 is no easy task. particularly when you want to go past the default setting for any area. Memory, QPI, overclock etc.

    the first key is buying very good ram that has XMP profiles that actually work and are in Jedec Spec.

    for example 8-8-8-24,  9-9-9-24 the key is the qualilty of the Ram (how well the eeprom has been programed) and if the memory has been tatoo'ed correctly. (the bios will read the XMP and auto set things correctly)

    note Karyns bios above does not have XMP profile turned on...  and the ram is running at a lowly 1066!
    several other wrong setting i see as well.

    we ship every system at a QPI of 6.4 and ram at 1600 cl 8 (and thats the non-OCed ones)
    with the right ram and the right settings it can be done.


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/22 11:29:30 (permalink)
    Karyn:

    You're a doll!

    Thanks for posting that pic. Those BIOS settings will indeed be helpful. However, I'm still gonna do some searching to try to get my system running at my memory's rated 1600 MHz.


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/22 11:37:39 (permalink)
    Ya know, it never occured to me that the RAM wasn't running as fast as maybe it could...  I'll have a play with it later....

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/23 17:33:03 (permalink)
     Gigabytec

    Thanks for the info everyone, but there still is the documented issue o the bottle neck caused by the s 1066 MHz bussse speed of all the i7 chips. I was  in error about my chip. I have a  930 which I believe has been discontinued and replaced by the   i7-950 chip.  The  Gigabyte X58A-UD5 now has a rev 2 model but I don't know if it is any more stable. 
    The the thing that just kills me is the loss of hours of editing work when these crashes happen in spite of saving every  minutes. I am really starting to wonder if sonar vs 700 is stable enough to base a reputable small studio on, especially with rolands poor history of of support and the resent release of Pro Tools Native. Cakewalk support has always been excellent but I have never had a great support experience with Roland. I actually feel sorry for all the great people at  Cakewalk having to run blocker for the lack of Rolands input and and support options. 

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/24 02:40:35 (permalink)
    Hi anniedog:

    Here's my update.

    I went and got a newer BIOS for my mobo, and used @BIOS to update.

    Afterwards, I disabled all the Turbo settings (which are in two places in my BIOS), and manually set memory timings to match my memory which is (8 8 8 24), the auto setting had it at (8 8 8 20).

    Also, I want my CPU speed to run at the stock speed of 2.67 MHz (so there's no intentional overclocking which will put my system at risk of overheating), so I had to change the auto setting for the CPU Clock Ratio from 21 to 20. Then, I manually set the System Memory Multiplier to 12 which makes my memory run at the rated 1600 MHz.

    I kept an eye on the voltage setting for my memory, which I thought should not exceed 1.5v but I researched and now know I'm safe in the range of 1.55V - 1.75V, and I see it's OK in the BIOS.

    Lastly, I made sure CPU Warning Temperature, CPU Fail Warning, and Thermal protection was Enabled, in case the system starts overheating again (in which case it will automatically be turned off for protection).

    My CPU is running at stock speed (2.667 MHz), my memory is running at 1600 MHz, and the memory voltage is within the rated range for my memory (1.55V - 1.75V). It's only been 1 day, but so far no PC crashes because of overheating. Yet my CPU temperature is running disturbingly hi (68c when idle). I'm using the stock fan and in my experience it performs poorly at keeping the CPU cool. I also have 4 120mm fans in my case (the CoolerMaster Cosmos 1000), 2 blows in the case and 2 are at the top to blow air out.

    I plan on getting a CORSAIR Cooling system soon for better cooling. If I run into overheating problems before then, I'll go back with the Optimized settings for my BIOS which runs the memory at 1066 MHz, but doesn't cause my system to heat up much.

    Well, these BIOS settings are what is working for me so far. If you are getting a voltage error (and that is what is causing your system to crash), I think you will do well to research your memory, find out the recommended voltage settings and timings, set the timings and System Memory Mutiplier manually in the BIOS, and keep the voltage setting on auto in the BIOS, but take a look that the voltage setting for memory is within the recomended range for your memory.

    Maybe you can try this stuff and see how it goes for you?

    Cya around.


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/24 14:29:30 (permalink)
    Forgot to mention:

    Scott Reams, many thanks for replying here. Your post is helpful.


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/24 19:30:19 (permalink)
    Scott Reams, many thanks for replying here. Your post is helpful.

     
    FWIW, Scott (ADK) is not Scott Reams   

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/24 19:49:13 (permalink)
    LOL. OK Jim. I sure thought it was LMAO
     
    One more update. My CPU temps were too high to make me feel at ease (68c when the system was at idle), so I lowered the memory speed to 1333 MHz. CPu cores  temps went down some, but I have got to get a cooling system other than this stock fan and heatsink.
     
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    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2010/10/24 19:55:45


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/25 08:47:16 (permalink)
    Just out of interest Thomas...

    You lowered the CPU speed so there's no overclocking, then increased the RAM speed...  Then lowered RAM speed because it was overheating the CPU.. 

    How has this affected overall system perfermance?  For our main application (Sonar with soft synths and cpu intensive FX) I would have thought a fast CPU would be the most use...
    post edited by Karyn - 2010/10/25 08:49:26

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 Udate 2010/10/25 21:06:23 (permalink)
    Thanks again for everyones help  and  input. Update : I flashed my Bios from F1 to F6 still in turbo mode and have not played with memory timing or voltage options as of yet. Things are stable so far but it never crashes  until I am doing lots of wave edits.  My biggest complaint is the actual lost of all the audio edits in the project as well as the audio files and project template. This could and has amounted to the loss of hours of eye straining work. It would seem that at this level of software there would be a cache or a temp file that would at least prevent this loss. Even frequent saving does not protect against this. I don`t use many virtual instruments or midi files and  often usually track no more than 4 at one time. I do always run at 24/96 . I use a UAD quad card for the small number of plugins I use . My crashes seem to always happen when I am editing. I guess time will tell now if I have solved the issue. if  the  situation goes on  much longer like this Im going to see if motherboards float.
    post edited by anniedog - 2010/10/25 21:08:18
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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/25 21:32:01 (permalink)
    Karyn


    Just out of interest Thomas...

    You lowered the CPU speed so there's no overclocking, then increased the RAM speed...  Then lowered RAM speed because it was overheating the CPU.. 

    How has this affected overall system perfermance?  For our main application (Sonar with soft synths and cpu intensive FX) I would have thought a fast CPU would be the most use...


    I'd like to understand this as well?
    I'm thinking of the same board with an i7 950 and 1066 RAM.
    But if there are problems, I'll go elsewhere.

    Any thoughts?

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/25 23:56:57 (permalink)
    Hi all:

    I just bought my RAM at a rated 1600 MHz speed, and I want my system to run at that speed. I bought the core i7 920, so I'll settle for that stock speed, which is 2.667 Mhz.

    I bought these components and just want them to operate at the rated speed. My system runs fine with my memory running at 1066 MHz. I just want to get the max performance from my gear at it's rated efficient performance level.

    Overclocking results in faster wear and tear on the respective parts. However, if one was to have a processor with a stock speed rated faster than the core i7's 920 stock speed, surely faster is better and safe if the gear is running at it's rated stock speed. Nevertheless,  a core i7 can be overclock to even 4 GHz, according to reports I read.

    So, the bottom line here, is that I just want my gear running at it's rated speed, so I can get the performance it renders when it is running at it's rated speed. As I understand it, faster ram speed is better for multi-tasking, and faster CPU speed is better for running SONAR at lower latency settings and processing more plug ins simaltaneously.

    I use my system for everyday computing tasks, Gaming, and music production. Naturally, I want it to be performing at it's best (without intentional overclocking), and running my memory at a speed lower than it's rated 1600MHz, means to me that my system is not running at it's best.

    Lastly, my  system runs SONAR impressively when my memory is running at 1066MHz. I just want my system running at it's best potential, so my desire is to have my RAM running at it's rated speed.
    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2010/10/26 02:31:31


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/26 04:04:47 (permalink)
    Thomas,  I know why you want to up the RAM speed.  Since you got it running at 1333 I was asking what noticable difference (if any) it has made, increasing from 1066.

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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/10/26 12:00:36 (permalink)
    Update:

    OK, this is the 1st system I built completely by myself, so I've been learning throughout.

    My dumb self left the fans in my Case as they were when I got the case. Since my system was heating so much, I really had to do some close inspecting. It turned out that 3 of the 120mm fans were acting as outtakes. I had to turn the one by the Northbride around, to blow on the CPU. I also discovered that the heatsink over the cpu wasn't on very sturdily. It was kind of loose, so I tightened it.

    After fixing those two things, the cpu cores are running considerably cooler, now. The cpu cores stays under 70c when I stress out my system for my uses. I have set my memory speed again to 1600MHz. Don't know what to say accept my system seems to run fast as heck!

    Karyn, you ask what difference I notice. Well, this is no technical answer, but the system feels like it's blazing fast! LOL

    Sorry, but that's all I've got for you.

    I'm very pleased, now. Oh praise God!!!!!


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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 Udate 2010/10/28 19:24:36 (permalink)
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      "My biggest complaint is the actual lost of all the audio edits in the project as well as the audio files and project template. This could and has amounted to the loss of hours of eye straining work."


          Hello... I would suggest shutting off Hard Drive Disk caching for each hard drive in the Windows Device Manger... Hard drives/policies... this will prevent any information to be used in the ram/cache and be lost during shut downs... very slight Hard Drive performance loss compared to hours of editing... also there might be a setting in Cakewalk too, to shut off caching of data to drives... Caching is the use of ram memory... which is lost when powered down...
    post edited by IronSound - 2010/10/28 19:31:49
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    Re:Gigabyte X58A-UD5 2010/11/06 00:58:23 (permalink)
    I use same board in two puters. One i7 920, the other i7 950. Both with 1600 ram 6g. Don't remember how I did it but both run the ram at 1600 with no problems. Was going to up to 12g but have seen no need.
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