john6448
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Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
I have an M-Audio Audiophile 192 and only headphones (no monitors) to listen with. The card is functioning as both my primary PC audio and for use with Sonar 8.5 Producer. The 192 has a breakout cables with two pairs of audio outs, Main and Monitor, each with separate balanced 1/4" TRS jacks for Left and Right, a total of 4 jacks. What cables/connectors should I use to make the connection with my 1/4" stereo headphones plug? I have received conflicting advice and I'd really like input from pros.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 13:14:44
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Hi John, A small mixer (Mackie 1202 or similar) would be something to consider This would provide several important features: - Mic preamps (routed to the Audiophile's analog inputs via the channel-inserts)
- Headphone Amp (route the Audiophie's analog outputs to two input channels.
- Volume control at your fingertips (over both the headphones and main outputs going to a pair of monitor speakers)
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batsbrew
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 13:15:53
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dude, there probably aren't any 'pros' using this card!! heheh
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batsbrew
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 13:20:12
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have you consulted with the user's manual? have you gone to the tech support at the maudio site?
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john6448
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 14:24:33
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Let's see: mixer -- yes, understood, but due to budget issues I had to return small Mackie VLZ3 mixer I bought to solve this problem, thus the problem, same problem with headphone amp. I should have put this in my post. no pros use this card -- You're probably right, but the choice of card is not the "pro" aspect of my question, it's resolving the conflicting advice. I figure it might take a pro to help me. users manual -- yes. It tells me only what I have related about the outs. maudio tech support -- no phone support, tried to navigate their redirects to Avid and created a login to submit a question, but they do not give you the option of selecting any of the M-Audio audio interfaces in order to do so. Thus I'm trying here in case I can get some help. Thanks for any responses, including those above.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 14:50:46
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well, page 17 of the manual has all the connections detailed. you HAVE to have something to power your headphones. this was covered in your original post.
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john6448
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 15:11:18
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Right batsbrew. I saw the manual. On mine its page 18. It tells me basically the connections as I outlined above. What I'm trying to figure out is this: Do I need two (or twin) TRS plugs, one for Left and one for Right, that then resolve into into a single (female) TRS jack by means of a Y-connector? But the Y-connectors I've seen are two monos input and one TRS output. It is my understanding that mono=TS, not TRS, which is a stereo signal. Since on the 192 both Left and Right are TRS or stereo outputs, and I guess that's where I and those I've spoken with are running into confusion. Can I put TS connectors (for mono) into the 192 TRS outs? I don't know, and neither does anyone I've been able to speak to about it. By the way, I've discovered so far is that there seems to be plenty of power for the headphones. I can hear signal just fine at half volume. If I'm trying to put a square peg in a round hole, I guess I just need to hear that. I don't want to waste anyone's time. I wonder if I already have. Cryin' shame I had to return my small Mackie desktop mixer.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 15:14:44
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John6448 - I'm with Jim on this. I used a small mixer when I previously used an M-Audio 2496, and it was good for managing multiple sources going into the interface, as well as providing a headphone jack AND a place to plug in your future monitors. The mixer is also handy for listening to your instruments with zero-latency (in and out of the mixer) and while your computer is off.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 15:17:38
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Sorry about the Mackie. Maybe a cheapo Behringer for now? But if you think you have a temporary solution with adapter cables, go for it.
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john6448
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 15:19:03
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Thanks Roger. Unfortunately, I had to return the minimal mixer I had purchased for budget reasons. I wish at this point I had better foreseen this problem and bought a USB audio interface instead of this PCI one. The sound is great for me, but the IO with my setup limitations is proving to be a primo headache.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 15:26:28
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Well, maybe a USB unit would have had you up and running by now, but I don't think you made a bad choice with the M-Audio PCI card. Good luck on a temporary solution.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 16:58:33
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john6448 I have an M-Audio Audiophile 192 and only headphones (no monitors) to listen with. The card is functioning as both my primary PC audio and for use with Sonar 8.5 Producer. The 192 has a breakout cables with two pairs of audio outs, Main and Monitor, each with separate balanced 1/4" TRS jacks for Left and Right, a total of 4 jacks. What cables/connectors should I use to make the connection with my 1/4" stereo headphones plug? I have received conflicting advice and I'd really like input from pros. I don't think that card has a headphone amp built in. All the outputs are line level. You could use a headphone amp to power your phones but those things are fairly expensive. A better value would be a small mixer. It will have a headphone amp (maybe two) built in and also give you mic preamps. The 192 would connect to the mixer. For best signal to noise it would be good to get a mixer with balanced inputs and outputs like the 192 has. I'm using a SoundCraft Compact 4 mixer with my sound card. It has balanced I/O, two headphone amps, two mic preamps, and even turntable inputs all for around $100. That's a lot of stuff for the money in one small unit. Mackie mixers should have similar features but might be more money. Behringer makes some also but the quality is not as good.
post edited by ohhey - 2010/10/26 17:01:03
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/26 16:59:33
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john6448 - "But the Y-connectors I've seen are two monos input and one TRS output. It is my understanding that mono=TS, not TRS, which is a stereo signal. Since on the 192 both Left and Right are TRS or stereo outputs, and I guess that's where I and those I've spoken with are running into confusion. Can I put TS connectors (for mono) into the 192 TRS outs? I don't know, and neither does anyone I've been able to speak to about it." John - yes, you can use TS cables with these outputs. The manual states that they are "balanced/unalanced plugs" plugs. Therein <I believe> lies your confusion. They are not "stereo" although they use a TRS connector - rather they are "balanced". But you can use a basic mono "TS" plug and YES, one is Left and one is Right which gives you your stereo connection. However, these are line level signals and I still don't think you will be happy with the output as they are not meant to be used with headphones. If you choose to, use a "Y" cable 2 X 1/4" TRS-M -> 1 x 1/8" TRS-F. It would be better even at the least if you had a stereo/boombox with input connections and use the headphone out of that. Even better would be to spend $22 on THIS EDIT: or what Frank says :-)
post edited by fwrend - 2010/10/26 17:01:51
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john6448
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/10/28 13:02:09
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Thanks ohhey, you nailed my confusion and the answer. Thanks fwrend for your comments and the lowcost option you provided. I think I have all the information I need now. All that's left is to decide. Thanks to all.
post edited by john6448 - 2010/10/28 13:07:23
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/11/09 07:57:00
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That interface is just as good as any other. Who say the pros don't use them? If you get a Y cable with mono on both ends and a female. You can plug in you stereo headphone and monitor via the two main outs or the two monitor outs.
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john6448
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/11/09 09:56:47
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Thanks, Stingie. That is what I decided to do, and it is working out fine as a budget solution. By the way, your location is, well, deeply intriguing. I hope this response reaches you before you die.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/11/09 10:39:57
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After transcending several galaxies I finally got your reply. The SNR on that card is very high comparable to other recommended cards. I have been using one for quite a while with satisfactory results.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/11/18 04:22:39
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I've been looking without any joy to find a solution to this problem, I know I should have come here first but....this is a post I made on another site, I'm slightly confused by the answer that I received, maybe someone here can give me some advice Q Just purchased a M Audio 192 pci sound card. The plan is to link up my Cambridge Audio Azur 640a V.2 and my p.c. Problem is that the Amp doesn't have an optical S/PDIF in/out but RCA connections. The sound card has S/PDIF in/out and Balanced in/out 1/4" TRS via break out cable. Is it possible to connect the 1/42 TRS to the RCA? Or does anyone here have this sound card and maybe can offer some advice. A Yes short the ring of the 1/4 connector to ground and use the tip and sleeve only. You must unbalance the 1/4 connectors in order to use it with your amp by simply plugging in a MONO 1/4 jack you will accomplish this so all you need is Mono 1/4 to RCA cables you should be able to find them almost anywhere. Help....please ______________________ Du hoc | Hoc bong du hoc| Tu van du hoc| Du hoc singapore| Du hoc My
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/11/18 12:30:31
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Is it possible to connect the 1/42 TRS to the RCA?
yes, this is what i do. i have two connections, using standard high quality rca cables going into TRS-RCA adapters, i use the master pair for my monitors, and the 'monitor' pair, for my headphone amp, which is a yamaha natural sound amplifier. works fine.
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Re:Need Pro Advice On Audiophile 192 Audio Connection
2010/12/16 11:37:11
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Just purchased a M Audio 192 pci sound card. The plan is to link up my Cambridge Audio Azur 640a V.2 and my p.c. Problem is that the Amp doesn't have an optical S/PDIF in/out but RCA connections. The sound card has S/PDIF in/out and Balanced in/out 1/4" TRS via break out cable. Is it possible to connect the 1/42 TRS to the RCA? Or does anyone here have this sound card and maybe can offer some advice. ______________________ Let's go Du hoc Tu van du hoc Hoc bong du hoc Du hoc singapore
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