can i mix out the vocals and change the key of the song with music creator?

I have music creator 5. i am new to this. i want to upload an audio track from my computer, mix out the vocals and change the key of the song. can i do this with this product? how? if i can't, can anyone suggest a different product?
 
Thanks.

midi is certainly the way to go and as Beagle points out, there are plenty of free midi songs on the net.

they are still chasing the holy grail of successful transposition of audio... one day, I'm sure, they will get it right. But that day is not yet come.

Kalle Rantaaho


"as for changing the key of the song, that's pretty much impossible as well."

Is it really? As far as I understand I've done it dozens of times by just speeding up the song.

That was when I was a youngster recording with 4-track cassette recorder and couldn't play the songs fast enough.

Doesn't pitch shifting a whole song keep the relative pitches unchanged and thus the actual "what-u-hear" is just the same?

Of course there can be some funny spots regarding musical theory, but it sounds perfectly "normal" and adding vocals to that is no problem.

the reason I said that was because you can't do that with all chords (maybe a lot of them, but not all) and because you're also changing the timbre of the drums with each shift. 
 
1/2 step each way for a I-IV-V might not be all bad.  but if you have any complicated chords (made up by ALL instruments playing at a given moment including grace notes, passing tones, etc) and/or if you move more than 1/2 step you're going to start sounding bad.
 
but if you tink it sounds normal to you then go for it.  personally I would never try to add vocals to a song I've pitch shifted and try to send that out to anyone.

I surely will not argue against your points, Beagle, I'm sure you're right. What I did was just very basic, simple rock with no fancy details.

For years I had the same problem as the OP.
 
Removing the vocals out of a mixed song is something that I never succed to do
in a acceptable way. Some songs give a better result than others.
 
But in changing the key from a song is something that I do almost every day.
In my gigs I play and sing mainly whit audio backing tracks (wav and mp3)
and MIDI files. Changing the key from a MIDI file is not a problem.
 
For changing the key from a wav or mp3 song I use the Keychanger from Songgalaxy.
For me it's a helpfull program and after downloading the trial I bought the full version.
For me it's a very good tool that I use very frequent to adjust the pitch, so I can sing
along wit the backing tracks that is have.
 
You can download a trial version and give it a tray. For me it is very helpfull.
 
http://www.songgalaxy.com/software.php
 
Good luck.
 

I just tested the MP3 Keychanger on one of my MP3 songs.....

The actual DL program is not very large....hummmmmmm.... installs quick.

It does what it says it does...on the fly....changes tempo and keys with a simple click. That is pretty cool and works well.

I used Oil On The Water as my mp3 example because it was the first song that popped up.

When I raised the pitch the vocals were not transposed well.  The vocals have a quality that melodyne refers to as the "formant" that must be maintained proportionally and correctly to the new note for it to sound natural. Melodyne does a very good job with this. MP3 Keychanger does not. The vocals were noticeably affected with the first 1/2 step and the next half step made it very obvious.  Going down a half step had the same result.

Tempo: the changes here were more subtle with a few clicks up in tempo. the more the tempo was increased, the more noticeable the artifacts became here as well.

OK demoing again this time using HQ preview and all the settings on the high quality ends of things. Transposing 2 whole steps up..... slow conversion, but it said that....

OK...playback..... oh.... no...... that is just as bad IMO as the quick on the fly transposition. This conversion has a box to check to preserve the formants..... but it sounded horrible to me.... very unnatural sounding.

 IMHO..... FWIW......Not very good. I would not spend the money on it.

No... I don't think this is a good program  to use for professional results.

I'd be interested in hearing other's results and opinions. 

This is kind of the same technology as the key changer in a Karaoke machine. without the lead vocal sitting out front the mix it is possible. But in any environment without background noise where listening is pristine the artifacts will show even if only in a minor sense. Still you can do it. Stripping the vocal is another matter.

How this is done is a matter of understanding the mix. When you use a vocal removal plug or software, what is does is to take the two halves of the stereo wave file and reverse them placing the center to the outside in a electronic sense, then the center frequencies are reduced until the one contained in the vocal are barely audible. The problem lies in two places, 1. if there are other instruments in that same sonic area of the stereo field, that contain similar frequencies they to will be strongly affected. 2. if the vocal is not panned dead center of the stereo field the effect will also be deminished.

Software like melodyne, will isolate these wave files notes, but still it needs to be a rather distinct recording for complete success. WAAAAAAAY to much work for this lazy guitar picker. I want to just get the job done. For this reason i far prefer midi files, i have yet to not find what i want even if I have to purchase it. A good set fo samples and some careful manipulation and you get a rather decent end result. 

I have bought MP3 backing tracks at karaoke version and some are key adjustable, but they warn you that only small adjustments work. 

Speak for yourself carolina boy, I'm an expert!!! ..... at eating pie!

probably talking about everybody on the forum!

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