vicsant
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Is it time.......?
This is primarily addressed to those of us who have been asking for improved notation/video features in Sonar X1:
Though the Bakers have assured us that notation/video enhancements are in the "future", we really can't tell how long the future is. It's been 10 years since S1, and still the notation/video features are the same.
In the meantime, there are audio/video (which also requires notation to a large extent) projects currently ongoing and who knows how many more will be coming in....
So the painful question is...is it time to switch to Pro Tools 9 because it seems to have the audio/video/notation features we need that is probably still years(?) away in SonarX?
We'll still have Sonar in our PCs, but for serious audio/video post production work, do we fire up PT9? After all, PT is the audio/video post production industry standard, whether we like it or not.
We can always go back to Sonar if and when the audio/video/notation features we need are implemented....
Is PT 9 the answer to our current needs?
PS: I hope the forum moderators will allow this thread......
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john5193
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 06:31:23
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Unfortunately I find myself pondering this switch for different reasons.
I spend most of my time Recording Hardcore, Metal, and Punk music, which for the most part means I end up spending a lot of time triggering drums VIA Drumagog5 or SD Trigger. I Also use Vocal Rider when time constraints do not allow proper automation writing.
Unfortunately though WAVES, UAD, Wavemachine Labs, and Slate Digital all use the VST 3 platform and in every other DAW except SONAR I am able to sidechain into these plugins in order to limit ghost hits or false triggers.
If 3rd party sidechaining from major Plugin manufacturers is not addressed, I find myself switching to Pro Tools 9 within the next couple weeks. I will still keep SONAR, possibly upgrade it in December; but what is my motivation for keeping it as my main workhorse if it won't stay at the forefront of recording technology?
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John T
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 06:37:32
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ProTools doesn't support VST. FXpansion make a wrapper, but it's only as good as these things ever are: not everything works, and I don't think it supports VST3 features.
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john5193
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 06:43:41
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I also have ProTools 8 on my system. You are right, it does use the FXpansion wrapper, but yes it does support VST3 Features. I have never had a session in PT where not everything worked perfectly.
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 07:33:40
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Just an FYI but the VST-RTAS wrapper does not support VST 3. From FXpansion's website, "Of course, the adapter supports all the latest VST2 features".
Having said that, VST3 is not needed for sidechainig to work, as is proven by SONAR's sidechaining capability.
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john5193
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 07:44:11
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I will concede the VST3 point as it is not my primary concern.
That still does not solve my primary gripe.
Why no sidechaining for UAD 1176, Precision Buss Compressor, Precision Limiter, Waves C1 series, Vocal Rider, Drumagog 5 Ducking suppression, etc.?
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 07:52:05
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It's up to the plugin manufacturers to implement sidechaining so its really out of our control, unfortunately. As to why those plugins are able to sidechain in PT, I would bet those plugin devs made it available in the RTAS version of the plugins.
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john5193
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 07:53:50
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Is there no way for cakewalk to somehow make sidechaining possible in the form of some kind of wrapper.
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keith
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 10:43:46
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I don't think UAD supports VST3 at this point. Correct me if I'm wrong. In addition I think only a couple of hosts support VST3, and if you remove steinberg hosts from that list I think the list is down to one host.
VST3 support has some neat features, but AFAIK implementing VST3 support also has some neat complexity costs associated with it, which is likely why it's been at the bottom of devs' update plans. However, of those neat features, sidechaining is more than possible in VST 2.4, and there are many VST2.4 plugs today that implement sidechain. Considering the lack of VST3 host support, it comes down to laziness, arrogance, or both for a dev to not implement sidechain in a VST2.4 plug that should otherwise support sidechain.
That being said, cake will have to start to prioritize VST3 support higher at some point... as hosts other than steiny and presonus start to support it...
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john5193
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 10:47:25
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As of UAD-2.5.7 the Precision series (My main mastering plugs) are VST3. I don't know about the rest of the UAD line. Drumagog is VST3 as is Slate Digital Trigger (both of my triggering programs). My biggest gripe when it comes to waves is that in any other DAW I can side chain into them...not in SONAR :(
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 16:46:01
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Anyone know of any sites that show what the PT9 Score editor is like? Preferably a video.
My interest in PT 9 is growing and I would like to check that out.
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SongCraft
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/07 21:50:25
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Mod Bod
Anyone know of any sites that show what the PT9 Score editor is like? Preferably a video.
My interest in PT 9 is growing and I would like to check that out.
Avid TV (Notation) and Avid YouTube and more (next to Digidesign see '53' click on that to see more)
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ProjectM
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/08 10:04:23
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Mod Bod
Anyone know of any sites that show what the PT9 Score editor is like? Preferably a video.
My interest in PT 9 is growing and I would like to check that out.
Mod Bod!!! I can't believe I'm reading this!! You, Mr. Sonar Help Desk Guru himself?! Your input has been great over the years. It's like: "I have a problem let's see what Mod Bod is saying about it" And there it is; The Answer - signed Mod Bod  Anyway, I understand. Don't know what PT9s Score Editor is like - but here's a video of PT8s. Dunno what's changed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9JDgyGwY8 I have a new found love for Sibelius and that does the trick for me;)
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SongCraft
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/08 16:31:49
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ProjectM
Mod Bod
Anyone know of any sites that show what the PT9 Score editor is like? Preferably a video.
My interest in PT 9 is growing and I would like to check that out.
Mod Bod!!!
I can't believe I'm reading this!! You, Mr. Sonar Help Desk Guru himself?! Your input has been great over the years. It's like:
"I have a problem let's see what Mod Bod is saying about it"
And there it is; The Answer - signed Mod Bod
Anyway, I understand. Don't know what PT9s Score Editor is like - but here's a video of PT8s. Dunno what's changed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9JDgyGwY8
I have a new found love for Sibelius and that does the trick for me;)
SongCraft
Mod Bod
Anyone know of any sites that show what the PT9 Score editor is like? Preferably a video.
My interest in PT 9 is growing and I would like to check that out.
Avid TV (Notation) and Avid YouTube and more (next to Digidesign see '53' click on that to see more)
You didn't see I already posted the 'same' link twice: Avid TV (Notation) and Avid YouTube Next up: I'll post the PRV, yeah right it's the Midi Editor LOL!! -
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ProjectM
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/08 17:32:07
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SongCraft
You didn't see I already posted the 'same' link twice: Avid TV (Notation) and Avid YouTube
Next up: I'll post the PRV, yeah right it's the Midi Editor LOL!!
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Yeah man, sorry about that;) I saw it after I posted and was going to edit but then I thought I'd just leave it because I wanted to answer Mods question too. Even if it wasn't as good as yours. And I knew it. If it wasn't for Mod Bod my Axiom would be used as a door stoper or a car jack. If he leaves us for Pro Tools I had to try to return the favour some how at least this once before it's too late;)
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vicsant
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/08 19:29:03
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I wonder if there will be a PT9 demo.......
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SongCraft
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/08 20:12:10
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Seems to be a lot of buzz going on the PT9 forum, late last night I looked at how many visitors in that forum = 210, at the same time only 12 visitors in the X1 forum. Sweetwater has a deal at moment; get PTLE8 for $199, then upgrade to PT9 for $249. LOL!! There's going to be a boat load of M2boxes (mini) for sale on eBay. I'm sticking with Sonar ;) - Hi Project M, I'm sorry, I should have left that one to you. -
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ProjectM
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/09 05:18:57
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SongCraft
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Hi Project M,
I'm sorry, I should have left that one to you.
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By all means buddy. We're here at the forum to finally get to do something together with other people. That's what we did. All is well;)
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/09 15:03:16
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I was at AES last weekend, and if you judge by the crowds, Avid got all of the attention with PT9. At the demo I saw, they were using a laptop to track a guitarist and bass player while syncing to a video with the drummer.
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SongCraft
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/09 18:48:46
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RogerS
I was at AES last weekend, and if you judge by the crowds, Avid got all of the attention with PT9. At the demo I saw, they were using a laptop to track a guitarist and bass player while syncing to a video with the drummer.
Yeah I have to admit that's impressive, especially since PT9 can do all that using the laptop's built in audio (no need for addition third-party audio interface)! Yes, using 'ANY' audio device (or interface), thereby making PT9 truly the ideal portable DAW. I'm staying with Sonar mostly because I love it's midi editor, I believe it's the best in the business and a few other goodies that Sonar has to offer. But I will eventually get PT9 later next year along with Win7 and it will become my main 'Audio' DAW for automation, time/pitch, beat tools and because of it's amazing portability, stability and efficiency! I wonder if the price for PT9 will eventually drop a little? Apparently now anyone can get PT8LE then upgrade to PT9 and save $111. I also wonder if in the near future there will be a PT9 Lite version for half the price? -
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Re:Is it time.......?
2010/11/09 20:16:12
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I'm for sure staying with Sonar also. I was merely "reporting" what I saw. 
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