Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ?

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Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ?

Hi all,
 Haven't posted a question here in a while. This one goes out to those who have session drummer 2. I haven't composed in a while, but I am slowly putting my studio back together. I have been using a mix of Drum kits from TTS-1, Soundfonts w/Ultimate Drums and EZ-Drummer lite. Lately, I've been using a mix of EZ-Drummer lite for the basic Kicks, Cymbals and Toms, but the kit is rather limited, so I fill in the remaining drums with TTS-1 or a Soundfont. I'm not much of a drummer, but I usually program my own midi's for drums. I was wondering if the session drummer 2 kits would be good enough to simplify my set-up as well as the drain on my CPU. I generally play with a Jazz style kit. The download price is still like $10. But I think I read where many who have this don't really use it because they have something better. EZ-Drummer might be a good alternative, but I've been exploring other SoftSynths for Piano and orchestration and I'm concerned about the CPU drain on my computer. EZ-drummer does hog a sufficient amount of resources. I'm also certain that I will need to upgrade my RAM as well but don't have the bucks to put too much into my present computer. Any thoughts?


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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/23 15:42:48 (permalink)
    Session Drummer 2 is well worth $10.

    EZD is well worth 15 times that.  but EZD is on sale right now at your local GC (or GC online) for only $99.  that's a bargain!  yes, it is heavy on RAM, so if you have low ram it will be heavy on resources.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/23 20:31:02 (permalink)
    Hmmm.....  there aren't any Guitar Centers up here in Toronto. I think I qualify for a discount on the upgrade, though. 

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/23 20:53:10 (permalink)
    Session Drummer 2 does seem very low on CPU, one thing, and I've seen this complaint elsewhere, is the sound of the toms, the samples are basically very dry and the toms just seem a bit umm....'pipe' like.  I also only bought it for the enlarged set of percussion than Studio Drums which sounds alright.  I had a quick listen to the brush sets etc and they sounded alright.  10 bucks is an alright price, but tweaking the sound is nec to 'wet' the sound, atleast for rock (maybe not so much for jazz).. (fx, compression, eq, reverb etc), the kit sounds more 'live' (acoustic) than TTS and Studio Drums but it is very dryyyyy.  Don't the sound demoes on cakewalk give you some inkling....
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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/23 23:07:58 (permalink)
    My guess would be that they included so many uneffected sounds to satisfy all the folks who complained about the older drum samples being too wet. Those folks wanted to add their own effects and it's nearly impossible to remove reverb from a sample.
    If I didn't already have SD 2, I would get it. For $10, it's a steal.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 08:21:31 (permalink)
    Bingo, Greg.
    It is much easier to manipulate a dry sound (for any instrument).
    SD2 has controls for each drum to adjust reverb, tone, pan, etc.
    You can also have each drum output to its own audio track.
    For the most part, I like EZ better, but I prefer the SD2 hi-hats.
    And it has a cowbell.
    For $10, check it out.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 08:45:31 (permalink)
    Sounds like this could work for me. I like the way that EZ-drummer allows you to mix the mic'ing of the drums to get a more realistic soundscape, but I do tend to run them on the dry side. The Room/Ambience is neat but when it comes time to mix the drums in, I dial it way down.  Maybe I'll down load it this weekend.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 08:50:37 (permalink)
    Create custom drum kits by loading individual components on pads (WAV, AIFF, or OGG format samples)

    It looks as though you can modify the kits or create your own tom samples.  Has anyone done this or comment on the flexibility here? If you load your own sample, does it allow for multiple samples for different velocity settings or do the samples respond to velocity at all?

    Well, I think I found the answer, Yes and No. Wav samples will only respond at one velocity. but it's possible to create and use a soundfont which will respond at multiple velocities. 

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 13:10:52 (permalink)
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    Wav samples will only respond at one velocity.

    I can see how that could be interpreted, but it's not quite right.
    The wav will respond to different velocities, but it will only result in a volume change.
    Since there is only the one wav to reference, you don't get the variations in timbre that layered samples give you.
    Most of the included drum sounds are sfz files, and have five layers.
    I haven't messed with it much, but it is very easy to bring in different sounds. I usually just use the stock drums.
    Most of my songs feature SD2, if you want to hear it in action.
    Celebration and Donna Michelle were played live, from a keyboard. The rest use included patterns.
    Celebration may be of interest, because it shows the layering more than the others.
    I do like SD2, and even though I have EZD, it isn't going anywhere.




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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 13:49:53 (permalink)
    Me personally i prefer Jamstix to the others i think it does what they do, plus it automates in ways they can't.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 13:51:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for that tidbit, Robert. I kind of interpreted the specs that way, though.
    So, how many samples can be played at once? It doesn't look like it's capable of filling the whole GM spectrum.


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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 14:33:41 (permalink)
    10.
    There are only 10 pieces in the kit.
    The GM spectrum is more of a full range percussion set.
    The pads of SD2 are GM mapped, so a kick drum will be a kick drum, but is a limited set.
    You can, of course, set the pads to trigger any sounds, but you are limited to 10 at any given time.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 16:29:40 (permalink)
    So if you want more than 10 drums, can add an additional instance of SD2 Like you can with TTS-1?

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 19:42:34 (permalink)
    Sure you can.
    This is two instances of SD2
    Riverdale Road
    It starts kind of lumpy, just like a proper Mopar big block. This is mostly toms.

    What are your system specs? OS, RAM. CPU.
    Are there particular drum/percussion sounds you want in addition to the standard sets?
    I would still get SD2, but there may be other attractive options for you as well.
    You can work around CPU to an extent, but RAM is the killer, since most options are sample based.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 23:00:28 (permalink)
    I purchased an HP pavilion, with an AMD Athalon 3700+ 2.2 GHz (64bit) processor, 1 gig of RAM and a 200 Gig Drive. It does O.K. until I start to load up on the soft synths.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/24 23:39:22 (permalink)
    Tap, you should try freezing or bouncing the synths. That will lessen the processing load.
    Alternatively, if you're not playing/recording the synths in real time, back the mixing latency off as far as you can.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/25 07:36:51 (permalink)
    For $10... and it's from Cake.... I bought it even if I don't need it, which I don't... but I will take the time to explore it and try to find a use.....

    that COWBELL is very tempting....

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/25 09:37:43 (permalink)
    Superior Drummer has a couple of cowbells to choose from.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/25 09:47:06 (permalink)
    Thanks for that comment, Greg. When I get serious about rendering, I do freeze the synths, but since I've add the M-audio Keyboard, I have it set up to change instruments on the fly, sort of speak by changing the channel. I can easily bop between tracks and fix things as I go and I like that because I can react spontaneously to ideas as they happen (This seems to help keep the creative juices flowing). Between the keyboard and my numeric keypad programmed for transport control etc. I can sit down to a piece and start playing and recording and switching instruments as the piece progresses. I currently have about 5 or 6 soft synths loaded. I guess I could probably concentrate on the drums first and freeze that off, but I think I'll invest in SD2. This may do the trick for me.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/25 09:50:02 (permalink)
    BTW, much of my music is more on the smooth jazz side, so I do rely on a good mix of different percussion. The brush set is a good starting point, but I do like to add a lot of the non-standard trap set percussion.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/25 11:04:57 (permalink)
    I'll have fun playing with it as I try to figure out how it works.....I guess I'll watch some of the videos on it rather than try to guess how it works, which always gets me frustrated.

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    Re:Session Drummer 2? Is this worth downloading ? 2010/11/25 12:30:26 (permalink)
    Likewise .... Good luck with it Herb.

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