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2010/11/24 04:57:43 (permalink)

Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? [SOLVED]

Hi,

I am planning to upgrade my PC sound card but I wonder if it is worth it.
I currently have an Audigy ZS and have the chance to upgrade to an Infrasonic Quartet.

What I am looking for is low latency.
post edited by SubSample - 2010/11/27 01:04:23
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/24 06:20:57 (permalink)
The SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS is a relatively old PC sound card. 

Looking at the www.newegg.com site they still list the Infrasonic but it is "deactivated" suggesting it has been discontinued??


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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/24 07:03:46 (permalink)
I think i have read somewhere else on the net about the card being discontinued as well.
I think the card was only released a year ago?

I live in New Zealand and it's possible for me to pick one up off someone locally.
I see they have still been releasing drivers for the quartet despite their site not working when it comes to downloading their drivers with Firefox for some odd reason.
Works fine on IE though.

Thanks for the reply though.
What I need to find out is if it will have lower latency than the Audigy ZS when using the ASIO2 drivers.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/24 08:43:36 (permalink)
you'd be better off getting a soundcard that was designed for recording if you're looking for low latency native driver and quality recording converters.  check my website for some recommendations.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/24 19:22:30 (permalink)
Yes that's why I looked at the infrasonic Quartet.
I am currently studying up on the important areas of getting quality home recording by myself and by searching for help from people like yourself to get the best experience I can.

I'll definitely take a look at your site.

EDIT:-

Just checked out your site beagle and it does not say anything about the Infrasonic Quartet.
But then again I don't think many people have them as they seems to be hard to source a supplier.
I also noticed the driver file size is very small in comparison to my Audigy 2 ZS drivers.
Well as long as they work perfect I'm not complaining.

One of my primary devices is a 61 key MIDI controller which is currently running via USB but I plan on using it with the MIDI in on the sound card if it will reduce latency.

I am experiencing the latency issues in cakewalk Sonar 8 Producer when i have a lot of audio tracks playing and using reason 4.
But I may post the issue in the appropriate section for better response.

post edited by SubSample - 2010/11/24 19:34:41
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/24 21:47:55 (permalink)
I've never heard of the Infrasonic Quartet - that's why it's not on my site.  I can't review it or recommend it if I have never had any expierence with it or helped people with them on the forum before. 

I would be concerned that this unit does not have low latency drivers.  if I were you I'd get something that is certain to have low latency drivers like the m-audio units.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/27 01:03:38 (permalink)
I recieved the Infrasonic Quartet in the post today.

I find It does indeed have it's own low latency drivers but in saying that I also found out that the latest drivers for this card were bad news for my machine besides having conflicts with the HD audio on my ATi card when placed in the last PCI slot.
As soon as I installed the latest Audio drivers for the card and rebooted, I find one of the CPU cores at 40-50% load and the ATi HD audio missing from device manager.
Installing this card can also be a bit of a hassle due to the 1/4 jack threads which protrude out from the card.
So the card may be a bit of a tight squeeze to install, in some computer cases.

Moving the card to the next PCI slot up and using the drivers which came in the cards CD work perfectly.

It definitely is better as my latency is down and I am not getting pops or crackles etc etc like before with the audigy ZS.

Also finding the over all sound of this card superior to the Audigy ZS.

I am happy with this card but this card could pose an issue to some as it can conflict with other PCI cards including GPU in a PCI Express slot and the driver quality is unpredictable in later versions.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/27 08:05:51 (permalink)
all video cards can pose a conflict like that.  most likely what actually happened is that when you initially installed it, windows assigned it a shared IRQ with the video card.  this is usually a problem.  sometimes changing the PCI slot will change the IRQ in windows and solve the problem.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 21:16:10 (permalink)
Thanks for all you replies Beagle.

Been a mission getting everything all setup so all my MIDI devices work with the soft synths.
Setting them all up to use the correct drivers and find the conflict which was causing ASIO4ALL out to have a Red X in the ASIO4ALL control panel causing immediate drop out in Sonar. (Solved by changing the MIDI Playback in Control Panel/Sounds and Audio Devices/Audio TAB and changing the MIDI Music Playback from MS GS Wavetable SW Synth to IS-Quartet.

Looks like I need to use the ASIO4ALL drivers in Sonar due to using an Alesis Multimix4 USB Mixer which I send vox and guitar through.
If I don't I do not see the USB Audio device (Alesis mixer) as an input as for some reason Guitar Rig is under Audio FX in Sonar instead of Soft Synths along with my other VSTs I use (Reason and EZ Drummer).

Turns out setting up a system for recording can be a bit of trial and error.
Especially if you are new to all of this.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 21:58:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
SubSample, you just threw a new twist in this whole thing by indicating you are using the Alesis Multimix USB. Are you using ASIO drivers with that? Trying to use ASIO drivers with both the Alesis and the Infrasonic could be the cause of your problems.

BTW, why use the Infrasonic when you already have the Alesis?

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 22:12:33 (permalink)
Because I had an Audigy 2 ZS before hand and it was making pops and crackles.
I noticed today that I can only use one driver or the other in Sonar 8.
The Alesis doesn't have it's own drivers as such, just the ASIO4ALL ones.
I use the Mixer out of convenience as the jacks are on the back of the desktop with the PCI card.

I assumed to get better quality sound and lower latency I would need to upgrade my sound card besides using a mixer.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 22:52:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Hmmm. Looking a little deeper, I see that the Alesis does not come with drivers, and would therefore use the standard Windows drivers, which can lead to some of the latency problems you mentioned. So now I see why you use ASIO4ALL. 

Anyway, using both devices together will not improve latency performance. I would try them individually without the other installed, and then see which performs better. 
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 23:26:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
both are soundcards.  using them both will cause latency and/or sync problems.  I suggest you don't use the mixer as a soundcard - just as a mixer.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 23:53:20 (permalink)
Ah I see.
Great, I'm getting some where with the latency.

Beagle,
To use the mixer just as a mixer do I connect one cable from the headphone jack to the sound card in or two cables left and right main out and plug into the left and right ins of the sound card?

I really thought the Multmix was as it is....just a mixer.

BTW thanks for the help so far guys.
I need the knowledge you guys have or else I may continue buying equipment which I don't need and only to give me more hassle.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/28 23:56:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
If you want to use the Alesis just as a mixer, then as Beagle said, keep the USB unplugged, and then plug the main outs into the Infrasonic.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/29 00:36:12 (permalink)
Ok thanks guys will update when I grab some mono patch leads to go from the left and rigth main out into the left and right ins of the Infrasonic.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/11/29 10:34:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
right and check my MUSIC TOWN link in my signature and then click thru to the TUTORIALS AND TECH NOTES section to find a way to connect a mixer up for monitoring with direct outs.  it uses a behringer 802 as the example, but that should work for most 1 output bus mixers.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/12/01 04:44:39 (permalink)
UPDATE:-
Plugged the main outs of the mixer in to the inputs of the sound card and it works.
It seems I only need to use one Main out into one input and pan to the left channel on the mixer then go from mono to stereo at the sound card.
But one problem when using the mixer.
I have noticed with or without guitar rig, I can hear the clean tone from the guitar coming out as well with the guitar sound selection from Guitar Rig whenever I use it.

Is there anyway around this while using the mixer?

EDIT:-
I think I my have found the issue from dabbling with the settings in the infrasonic mixer but haven't tested this yet.
When i set the channel to Instrument I get what seems to be high gain as I noticed the system noise suddenly appeared.
I could hear the change in the noise whenever I moved my mouse, moved a window around the screen and whenever the hard drive was accessed.
So I reduced the gain till the noise disappeared.
But then i went into Sonar where I have a session which has a Guitar Rig preset used and noticed I could hear my guitar really clearly even without the Guitar Rig patch loaded.
So when I opened up the patch I had a weak signal to guitar rig which made a clean/slightly overdriven tone.
So I set the channel back to line and increased the gain and it's back to normal.

So in theory if I set the external mixer input from GTR to LINE I should get the same results where I don't hear the clean tone of the guitar.

So it appears what seemed logical (to select Instrument/Guitar) is the wrong thing to do if you do not want to hear the actual sound of the guitar but the sound of the guitar through guitar rig.
Learn something new everyday.
post edited by SubSample - 2010/12/01 05:09:58
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/12/01 18:46:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Maybe you could tell us a bit about how you connected your outputs. Is the Infrasonic outputs connected directly to your monitors (speakers)? Or are the Infrasonic outputs routed back to your mixer?

You also mentioned the Infrasonic mixer program. It might be configured to pass the audio input directly to the output, which you would want to prevent.

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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/12/01 20:49:37 (permalink)
Update from previous post:-
I change the Alesis Line in from Guitar to Line one and it has pretty much stopped the sound f the Guitar coming through unless I turn the gain on the Alesis right up.

Routing from Guitar:-
Guitar>Alesis Line 1>Alesis L Main out>Infrasonic 1/2 in>Infrasonic 1/2 Out>Sony Amplifier In>Sony Amplifier Out to Speakers,

I have not had a good look at the Infrasonic Mixer program but yes that maybe the issue.
What I would like to happens is absolutely no sound coming from the guitar but only sending a signal to Guitar rig.


post edited by SubSample - 2010/12/01 20:53:09
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/12/01 20:58:57 (permalink)
The instrument/ line in setting is for when you plug a guitar directly in so might not be the right impedance from your main out of the mixer. This is very important to match up your signal path impedance's. You should not have to use extreme settings. This is the problem with the entry level sound cards as they sometimes do not have the proper inputs. 
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/12/02 01:16:45 (permalink)
Thanks for replying johnny V.

I have solved the issue.
Turned out to be a driver corruption in which all send buttons in the GUI did nothing.
Every send was fixed to on.

So RogerS was correct on this issue in part as indeed it was "configured" directly to pass through to the outputs via driver corruption.

Only figured this out by installing some newer drivers which still cause me and I found out a fair few others have IRQ conflicts.

I have even been asked to send my driver version to these people since Infrasonic have deleted it from their site.
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Re:Audigy ZS to Infrasonic Quartet worth the upgrade? 2010/12/02 01:20:45 (permalink)
I'm glad you got it sorted out. Time to make some music. 

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