Running 2 interfaces revisited

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Running 2 interfaces revisited

I posted a similar question a while back about trying to use2 interfaces with sonar and done a little research.
What i have now is an Alesis io-26.What i want to get is a Presonous either Firewire Tube or the Digimax D8.The io-26 has  2 ADAT in's and S/PDIF in and out,WORD CLOCK etc.The fire studio tube is like $699.00 but the D8 is $399.00 and has the same pre's and i can pick up 4 extra mics and still come in cheaper than the studio tube,it also has ADAT out.If i get the D8 and set the Alesis as the master, will this work and will i have to run WDM drivers(no biggie). I really don't want to get rid of the alesis because i like the fact that it can do dvd quality sampling rates if needed.Plus, if it can work i will have 16 inputs to to work with.Again if this will work, any ideas of how it will show up in sonar??

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 00:44:04 (permalink)
    The digimax is ADAT out convertor.  You simply set it up from the face (I think) and it sync to the ADAT (or wordclock, maybe).  It does the conversion and sends a digital signal to the Alesis, which you then route w/ its softare.  So you don't have two interfaces as far as the computer is concerned, simply 1 using the ADAT digital ins.  I dont'know if either one runs in SMUX, which would let you use 96 kHz sample rate - but both need to if you plan on using the double sample rate.

    Other wise, if you are happy w/ the Alesis then that is the cheapest and easiest way to add more AD inputs.  That is what ADAT is used for these days mostly.

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 01:03:30 (permalink)
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    I posted a similar question a while back about trying to use2 interfaces with sonar and done a little research.
    What i have now is an Alesis io-26.What i want to get is a Presonous either Firewire Tube or the Digimax D8.The io-26 has  2 ADAT in's and S/PDIF in and out,WORD CLOCK etc.The fire studio tube is like $699.00 but the D8 is $399.00 and has the same pre's and i can pick up 4 extra mics and still come in cheaper than the studio tube,it also has ADAT out.If i get the D8 and set the Alesis as the master, will this work and will i have to run WDM drivers(no biggie). I really don't want to get rid of the alesis because i like the fact that it can do dvd quality sampling rates if needed.Plus, if it can work i will have 16 inputs to to work with.Again if this will work, any ideas of how it will show up in sonar??

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    I think it's best to avoid having more then one interface. It really complicates things. Drivers, monitoring, clock, all that stuff you have to becomes an expert at and deal with the limitations.  I think a better investment would be preamp only units with ADAT out.  The Alesis has two inputs so that would let you add two 8 channel units.  Those could be used on any interface you might have in the future and no extra drivers needed.  The Digimax D8 would be perfect.

    When using the D8 you will need to let it be the clock since the Alesis has no word clock out but that's no big deal.  The clock in the D8 will be at least as good as the one in the Alesis.

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 09:32:11 (permalink)
    Exactly what i  needed to know. The kit i have now is actually larger than the one i have in my avatar and if i really wanted to, i could end up using all 16 inputs. Buying a new interface with 10 or more inputs is not an option right now and yes if i can keep the alesis so much the better.I want to keep the 192 kHz ability for dvd work i do.I was going To sell it to help pay for the Fire Studio Tube before i found the D8.The Alesis mentioned that it had a word clock in the spec's and i'm guessing it uses the lightpipe for clocking but looking at the d8 i see a bnc connector on the back that says word clock along with the ADAT out(incompatible???) or is it just another way to do so?

    Using 2 different type of pre's might also work to my advantage as well,depending on which one is more sensitive,brighter/warmer etc..

    Thanks for the help  
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 11:02:45 (permalink)
    ADAT is limited to 48kHz unless it has SMUX, which uses 2 ADAT outs and limits you to 4 channels at 96kHz.

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 11:46:21 (permalink)
    48 is fine for me doing music and what i would do when doing dvd is just use the io-26.

     
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 13:26:16 (permalink)
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    ADAT is limited to 48kHz unless it has SMUX, which uses 2 ADAT outs and limits you to 4 channels at 96kHz.


    Kind of. SMUX through lightpipe optical will give you either 4 channels of 24/96 through one cable, or 8 channels of 24/96 through 2 cables. And you can get 2 channels of 24/192 through one optical cable.
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 14:01:07 (permalink)
    Even better,

    I was reading up on how to do the math and how the multiplexing works. This way i can use the d8 and get 4 AKG C4 mics and only spend about as much as the firestudio tube alone!!!

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 14:02:14 (permalink)
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    Exactly what i  needed to know. The kit i have now is actually larger than the one i have in my avatar and if i really wanted to, i could end up using all 16 inputs. Buying a new interface with 10 or more inputs is not an option right now and yes if i can keep the alesis so much the better.I want to keep the 192 kHz ability for dvd work i do.I was going To sell it to help pay for the Fire Studio Tube before i found the D8.The Alesis mentioned that it had a word clock in the spec's and i'm guessing it uses the lightpipe for clocking but looking at the d8 i see a bnc connector on the back that says word clock along with the ADAT out(incompatible???) or is it just another way to do so?

    Using 2 different type of pre's might also work to my advantage as well,depending on which one is more sensitive,brighter/warmer etc..

    Thanks for the help  


    As far as I can tell the Alesis does not have wordclock so you won't be able to get clock back to the D8. You will have to let the D8 be the clock and set the Alesis to get clock from the ADAT input the D8 is connected to.  It's nice that the D8 has wordclock because your next interface should have it and you might even use an external clock some day.  But the ADAT out of the D8 will work just fine with your setup.  It's just sad the Alesis doesn't have it, that would have been perfect.
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 14:10:35 (permalink)
    Correct me if I'm wrong but when i read the spec's on the alesis website it mentions word clock....or does it just means it will accept it, but not source it??

    http://www.alesis.com/io26

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 14:47:37 (permalink)
    I see that it mentions wordclock as "sync type" but there's no wordclock input on the device.  how are you supposed to get the wordclock signal into the device without a wordclock port?

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 15:32:00 (permalink)
    drill your own?

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 16:32:49 (permalink)
    You could do what I did, which is use two Multiface II's. It's very stable, the single driver handles up to three of them. Just need a word clock from one to the other. You can pick them up used for around $800, so two of them will be around $1600. That's a killer deal for 16 analog, two digital, and however many ADAT, all with solid drivers and very good performance.

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/28 19:08:48 (permalink)
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    You could do what I did, which is use two Multiface II's. It's very stable, the single driver handles up to three of them. Just need a word clock from one to the other. You can pick them up used for around $800, so two of them will be around $1600. That's a killer deal for 16 analog, two digital, and however many ADAT, all with solid drivers and very good performance.

      I wish,

    So far for Christmas i have a samsung 55" 3dtv and bd player, 3 laptops, an amazon kindle a 36" and 42" tv for the kids,clothes for all, 2 cymbals and the d8 and after the holidays a Pontiac G8. So needless to say i am "tapped out". I would get MURDERED if i spent $1600.00 more.

     
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/29 15:00:21 (permalink)
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    You could do what I did, which is use two Multiface II's. It's very stable, the single driver handles up to three of them. Just need a word clock from one to the other. You can pick them up used for around $800, so two of them will be around $1600. That's a killer deal for 16 analog, two digital, and however many ADAT, all with solid drivers and very good performance.

    I wish,

    So far for Christmas i have a samsung 55" 3dtv and bd player, 3 laptops, an amazon kindle a 36" and 42" tv for the kids,clothes for all, 2 cymbals and the d8 and after the holidays a Pontiac G8. So needless to say i am "tapped out". I would get MURDERED if i spent $1600.00 more.


    I'd love to have a G8 GT but I would replace the clear tail lights with the red ones from the non GT G8.  The clear ones just don't look right.
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/11/29 18:45:22 (permalink)
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    You could do what I did, which is use two Multiface II's. It's very stable, the single driver handles up to three of them. Just need a word clock from one to the other. You can pick them up used for around $800, so two of them will be around $1600. That's a killer deal for 16 analog, two digital, and however many ADAT, all with solid drivers and very good performance.

    I wish,

    So far for Christmas i have a samsung 55" 3dtv and bd player, 3 laptops, an amazon kindle a 36" and 42" tv for the kids,clothes for all, 2 cymbals and the d8 and after the holidays a Pontiac G8. So needless to say i am "tapped out". I would get MURDERED if i spent $1600.00 more.


    I'd love to have a G8 GT but I would replace the clear tail lights with the red ones from the non GT G8.  The clear ones just don't look right.


      It's a shame they only made them for 2 years. I had one for 2 weeks then the transmission went out....it happens.Someone snoozing on the assembly line. Took it in to get a new tranny and went out of town for 2 weeks. When i came back, my wife told them to keep it and went out and got a fully loaded expedition.......i was sick, it was the bright blue paintjob. That is one FANTASTIC car.

     
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/12/04 22:41:35 (permalink)
    Ok i got it hooked up and it took me about 2 min to figure out how to sync it. Got it set to 48 kHz and it floats between 48000 and 47953. Is this stable enough. It changes about every 2 seconds.

     
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/12/06 17:36:23 (permalink)
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    Ok i got it hooked up and it took me about 2 min to figure out how to sync it. Got it set to 48 kHz and it floats between 48000 and 47953. Is this stable enough. It changes about every 2 seconds.


    No, that should NEVER happen no matter what. Something is bad wrong.
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/12/06 18:45:22 (permalink)
    I set it back to 44.1 and it was all stable. At 48,  the recording would pop but stay in sync .Since the sample rate was higher i figured it is just an adjustment somewhere to get it to settle down. I have only fooled with it for about 20 minutes so far but 44.1 is perfect.

     
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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/12/06 20:35:11 (permalink)
    I dunno, that might provide a nice analog style wow and flutter type of effect :-)

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/12/12 12:31:25 (permalink)
    I have had it running for a couple of days at 44.1 and it is rock solid, no pops clicks or anything so i dont know what the deal with 48 kHz is. Anyway i have another problem.

    If you look at my avatar, all of my drums are mic'd now but the problem i'm having is after setting my levels to around 0 in sonar my 12" and 14" toms still sound far away. All of my toms go through the presonus inputs 1 thru 7(slave), my 2 overheads,kick and snare are on 1 thru 4 on the alesis (master). My level indication on the presonus when i strike a tom is well under clipping but reads just under clipping on my alesis and right at 0 on Sonar. So i cant go any higher without clipping the 12 and 14.Everything else sounds close and clear but if you do a drum roll but the 12 and 14 seem to sound distant.

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    Re:Running 2 interfaces revisited 2010/12/12 13:11:33 (permalink)
    Ok i just realized when i set all of them to 48K it is still hunting and in my alesis control panel it says it is locked but my ADAT light on the alesis interface is not lit up. When i go back to 44.1, it locks and does not hunt and my Adat light is back on.

    Could it be a bad fiber optic....bad clock generator, how can i check 

     
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