Chrisma
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Back Into Kinetic
I stepped away from Kinetic for sequencing about a year and a half ago and started using Motu BPM (standalone) and though I like it I've grown tired of its limitations which are mainly: - Not being able to sequence in 3/4 time - Only limited to UVI sounds (though they are excellent and I have several of their libraries I still missed using my other sounds) - Midi editing is way too limiting - No automation - Midi patterns can't extend into next loop (groove/scene) - Can't song arrange down to half bars So I fired up Kinetic to work on a couple songs for a couple of projects and whipped right through them quickly. I loved using the keyboard shorts and all the deep midi editing I was able to easily do. This all reminded why I started using Kinetic versus Sonar (5 when I got kinetic) for sequencing and song arranging. I'm posting this because I want to say that Kinetic is truly a deep midi workstation. It's a shame it has never really caught on nor been updated since version 2. The ability to use any VST Synths and FX you wish makes your creative options limitless. Even in its current state I find more powerful and fun than any I've tried on the software side of things. Sure there is Fruityloops, Live and Maschine (1.6) but Kinetic is still a strong contender. Cakewalk if you have the resources put some focus on Kinetic 3. Don't market as a simple beat making toy. In fact you won't have to do much marketing at all if you do right. Just don't make it look like a toy anymore (doesn't bother me but others just over looked because of how it looked). Although it looks like its a toy on the surface you and I both know it is much more deeper and powerful that what it looks. It is a VST Host, Midi Sequencer, Song Arranger. Just add input quantise, an arpeggiator, update the gui (skylight all day baby), multicore support, optional global volume, pan mute linking, bundle Beatscape, add multitrack export and call it a day. Cakewalk, Since Kinetic has not been publically discontinued whats up? Whatever you do keep Kinetic simple and intuitive. Don't add the matrix or any other major features. It's tight the way it is. Just needs a little modern love. I'll be around... T.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/11/30 20:48:37
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I am sad to hear you leave MOTU BPM.. I love it to death.. I understand the limitations.. But I have step outside the boundaries of UVI... I have loaded Battery effects, .wav and .mp3s within BPM... You probably have seen my videos on youtube.. www.youtube.com/orecordings... But you are right with Kinetic its a very slept on beast in my opinion.. especially with Roland Sp606.. Keep me posted with some songs you have done using kinetic
http://www.listenupstudio.com/ Motu BPM, Cakewalk, Roland MV8000 (8800) Music is a moral law, it gives wings to the mind, a soul to the universe, flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness, a life to everything
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Chrisma
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/11/30 21:55:53
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Whats up Twitch...yeah I've seen your videos before and its kinda weird because I feel like we've actually talked before.... Anyway, nah I'm not leaving Motu BPM (I'm in too deep...LOL!) but Kinetic will once again get its fair amount of production time especially on more complex stuff. I do use BPM within Sonar (when I have to and to bounce down multi-tracks) so I can sequence or replace other sounds but it becomes a different kind of workflow and more cumbersome. I like to move fast with ideas and thats one the things I like about both Kinetic and BPM. But when things get complex, key changes, working in 3/4 time, editing midi, and some of the things I mentioned before BPM just kills my creativity. Plus I haven't upgraded to 1.5 yet (I still plan to) so with not having undo it's like I still can't believe it wasn't there in the beginning. As far as programming beats is concerned BPM's step sequencer is tight but again the 3/4 thing is killing me! I do Urban Gospel...gotta have 3/4 or 6/8. It can be done but in BPM but you gotta select 48 steps and 12 bars and the metronome is all weird and uhhh!!!! I don't feel like working on the song anymore LOL! BPM is a good product and delivers what was promised plus it has way more than paid for itself and all the UVI libraries I have along with it. But Kinetic's midi editing and just a lot more mature. I would think so coming from Cakewalk and Roland... I'll post some new beats Kinetic Beats here soon. T.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/01 00:45:13
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Kinetic is the fastest way to get 4-8 groovy bars of music that you don't know what to do with.
I have had one or two weird things with the plugin manager since moving to Win7 64. Other than that it is still pretty fun.
Four years on and no updates might sound bad, but there really is not that much they can put into it without getting in the way of what it does. Multicore, 64 bit, multiple project templates, and skylight. Import midi patterns, not just PTN. Export to MIDI and Sonar.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/01 10:10:04
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Hey mumpcake! Whats up man!
I agree there isn't a whole lot that needs to really be done with it. Just bringing up to today's basic standards and giving it a face lift would be all it needs. It's already a very usable and stable. If Cakewalk does a version 3 and keeps it try to form and at the same price point it will be classic. Seems like it was ahead of its time and the song arranger and midi editing is timeless in and of themselves. Getting it 64bit ready would lock it in for long time. Look how long XP has been around and Windows 7 will probably follow suit. Some major opportunity for Cakewalk and Roland. They could even bundle it with a cakewalk keyboard or pad controller.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/02 10:15:52
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yea, we talked back in the day on some Kinetic stuff.. I do wish Cake would extend the Kinetic line.. But I don't think they will.. I loved using it back in the day... And I find myself using is with my Roland SP606.. The midi implementation such as editing, recordings, automation for this small footprint of a software its simple amazing!! There is still no other like this to date.. Maybe if I do some videos and start talking about htis more hopefully others will take a look and make some noise so Cake can notice.. (wishful thinking)... Anyways, can you still get K2 anywhere, anymore? I notice P5 is gone too..
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/02 12:20:35
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Ok. I wasn't trippin...so we have spoken LOL! You nailed it! The small footprint compared to the depth of the midi implementation and automation is nuts. There is nothing like. I mean you can master it in a day. It's crazy. Don't you hate wishful thinking...just seems to always end up a waste of time. But I don't know...if enough buzz is created and Cakewalk sees it would good business sense to invest the resources needed to update Kinetic I'm sure the would do it. They are business and a good one at that. I'm sure they would love to deliver a great product and make a ton of money. It would be a win win situation. Actually, being that its not a new product its got a greater chance of living on than not. As long as it still works in XP (looks its fine in Windows 7 as well) I'm good. That being said it does really need multicore support for the newer VSTi.
Now you got me thinking about doing a tutorial....LOL!
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/03 00:04:03
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The weird thing is that Kinetic was originally conceived to work with the 606. After buying Cakewalk, Roland went pretty heavy on the whole hardware/software integration thing with Sonar and the new controller/interfaces. You'd think they might be doing more Kinetic like things for their groove boxes.
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Chrisma
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/03 09:23:31
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I've heard it over and over again...Cakewalk just doesn't have the resources to do it all. I still think they might have plans for Kinetic because they haven't "officially" discontinued it like they did with Project5. But who really knows except them. Maybe now that the next generation of their flagship software (SONAR X1) it about done they will be able to give Kinetic a little love.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/14 13:56:25
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Twitch
I am sad to hear you leave MOTU BPM.. I love it to death.. I understand the limitations.. But I have step outside the boundaries of UVI... I have loaded Battery effects, .wav and .mp3s within BPM... You probably have seen my videos on youtube.. www.youtube.com/orecordings... But you are right with Kinetic its a very slept on beast in my opinion.. especially with Roland Sp606.. Keep me posted with some songs you have done using kinetic
Twitch, Its beens so much fun editing midi and automation in Kinetic . You can just pull off some amazing stuff so easily with Kinetic. I think I will be grabbing me a Akai MPK61 for it's MPC input quantize, swing and note repreat. I can pretty much map everything I need to via midi to control Kinetic. Here's the latest creation I have made using Kinetic for sequencing and song arrangement. http://www.urbanmultitrac...trumental-rnb-beat-63/ It was composed, arranged and mixed in Kinetic but mastered in Sonar. Let me know what you think.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/15 03:48:39
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I wish 1 of you guys would post some videos using Kinetic, so I can finally stop feeling like I'm in the twilight-zone. My experience with kinetic has always been disappointing. Mainly with the midi timing being weird or lagging behind newly recorded events.
Could be a problem with it not agreeing with my system. Other programs Have tight midi recording by comparison. I'm perplexed by the deep midi editing comment Chrisma? Kinetic's midi editing is rather limited IMO. And the dark background of the piano roll makes editing more challenging to use which should have been a lighter color. I would love to see a video of you using it on a deep level???
I think the mixer needs a major update as well to the list of features. Also, kinetic needs to be able to utilize more than just 16 sounds. The sounds should be on a per pattern basis and not specificly tied to the mixer. This is the way the actual Roland groove boxes that Kinetic is based on, operates.
I have a Roland MC307 ( no longer used) which gives you a rhythm track and 7 instrument tracks per pattern. Each pattern can have a completely different set of sounds which can't be done in Kinetic because all patterns are based on what ever sounds are in the mixer. The 16 sound limitation may not be much of an issue when making a single track, but, can be if you're wishing to do a more elaborate production without work-arounds.
I think another reason kinetic didn't get too far in the game is because it doesn't record audio. I'm sure most peeps wanted to record some vocals. It's funny when you consider that CW music creator is cheaper @ $40 us, records audio, and has more features than k which costed around $80.
Personally, I think K is a wrap. Roland groove boxes have faded and since this is what Kinetic was really based on, I'm convinced CW isn't interested in a revival. I would like to see it revamped with better midi tools and piano roll. I think they should drop the Kinetic name which really isn't that catchy and probably makes it sound like more of a toy than a serious beat program. I digress!
How about those videos fellas?!
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2010/12/15 03:56:19
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Twitch
Anyways, can you still get K2 anywhere, anymore? I notice P5 is gone too..
Some places are still selling it at regular price! Lookup Microcenter computer store.... I found a copy there at the store once for $25. Glad I didn't pay more than that!
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/15 20:13:01
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Chrisma
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I am sad to hear you leave MOTU BPM.. I love it to death.. I understand the limitations.. But I have step outside the boundaries of UVI... I have loaded Battery effects, .wav and .mp3s within BPM... You probably have seen my videos on youtube.. www.youtube.com/orecordings... But you are right with Kinetic its a very slept on beast in my opinion.. especially with Roland Sp606.. Keep me posted with some songs you have done using kinetic
Twitch,
Its beens so much fun editing midi and automation in Kinetic . You can just pull off some amazing stuff so easily with Kinetic. I think I will be grabbing me a Akai MPK61 for it's MPC input quantize, swing and note repreat. I can pretty much map everything I need to via midi to control Kinetic.
Here's the latest creation I have made using Kinetic for sequencing and song arrangement.
http://www.urbanmultitracks.com/instrumental-rnb-beat-63/
It was composed, arranged and mixed in Kinetic but mastered in Sonar.
Let me know what you think.
Amazing bro! I really like it, and you did all this in kinetic? I must give you props.. big props there man.. I like your beats man, you do very good work..
http://www.listenupstudio.com/ Motu BPM, Cakewalk, Roland MV8000 (8800) Music is a moral law, it gives wings to the mind, a soul to the universe, flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness, a life to everything
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/15 20:19:07
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kine321
I wish 1 of you guys would post some videos using Kinetic, so I can finally stop feeling like I'm in the twilight-zone. My experience with kinetic has always been disappointing. Mainly with the midi timing being weird or lagging behind newly recorded events.
Could be a problem with it not agreeing with my system. Other programs Have tight midi recording by comparison. I'm perplexed by the deep midi editing comment Chrisma? Kinetic's midi editing is rather limited IMO. And the dark background of the piano roll makes editing more challenging to use which should have been a lighter color. I would love to see a video of you using it on a deep level???
I think the mixer needs a major update as well to the list of features. Also, kinetic needs to be able to utilize more than just 16 sounds. The sounds should be on a per pattern basis and not specificly tied to the mixer. This is the way the actual Roland groove boxes that Kinetic is based on, operates.
I have a Roland MC307 ( no longer used) which gives you a rhythm track and 7 instrument tracks per pattern. Each pattern can have a completely different set of sounds which can't be done in Kinetic because all patterns are based on what ever sounds are in the mixer. The 16 sound limitation may not be much of an issue when making a single track, but, can be if you're wishing to do a more elaborate production without work-arounds.
I think another reason kinetic didn't get too far in the game is because it doesn't record audio. I'm sure most peeps wanted to record some vocals. It's funny when you consider that CW music creator is cheaper @ $40 us, records audio, and has more features than k which costed around $80.
Personally, I think K is a wrap. Roland groove boxes have faded and since this is what Kinetic was really based on, I'm convinced CW isn't interested in a revival. I would like to see it revamped with better midi tools and piano roll. I think they should drop the Kinetic name which really isn't that catchy and probably makes it sound like more of a toy than a serious beat program. I digress!
How about those videos fellas?!
For the price, of Kinetic you truly can't beat it, Roland Groove boxes haven't faded, there are used in Cakewalk Session Drummer in Sonar or use them with the step sequencer bro! However you did make a point about the prices of MC vs Kinetic, however I must say K2 or Kinetic in general was only for remixing so recording vocals wasn't ideal, and when you had K2 and the original Kinetic out on the market it was only competing with Acid Studio for the same price.. but for $99 you got P5 in the mix, so Cakewalk MC should really be compared to P5 and not K1 or K2.. However the videos will be coming, I have to finish Sonar X1 Producer vids first.. but I can tell you they are coming.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/16 10:54:35
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Please do reply regarding the wheelers that you are discussing about, cos kinetic itself has many models, it is making me more and more confusing as it doesn't seems to be complete information about your question
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/17 03:06:46
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Well, I decided to try Kinetic again after many failures and somehow finally got it to work decently. Seems to work better with certain audio drivers than others. Really had to tweak to find the best performance! Conclusion: Kinetic is a really cool piece to use for beat making after all. Its great for sketching out quick ideas and the work flow is simpler than Sonar and other Daws. I'm impressed with the quality of the bounced audio. Updating Kinetic: In addition to Charisma's list, I think the mixer certainly needs updating. It's a bit small and ugly thankfully my vision is pretty good or using it would be somewhat hard. The ability to change the order of audio effects needs to be implemented, unless it's already doable?. The elusive parallel fx chain would be a bonus! The note editor/ piano roll, needs a brighter background because it's simply too dark. Also, the automation you draw in the note editor needs to be like Sonar instead of Clunky blocks. More ways to manipulate and use loops or audio. Audio snap would be a nice addition. Midi related plug-ins, like sonar or cubase has which would give you an arpeggiator and other tools. Groove templates and more advanced quantization options. Audio: I know you guys think audio isn't needed, but, I still think this is an area that kept Kinetic from getting bigger. I remember seeing complaints ages ago about it not being able to record audio. Sure, you can rewire kinetic in something that does, but some people only want to use a single program without extra steps; especially if using a laptop on the go and you want to get ideas down as they happen. If you come up with the perfect hook or chorus, etc... you should be able to record that moment of inspiration if you just made that hot butta beat! It doesn't need to be a DAW with unlimited audio tracks. 6-8 would be good enough. Think, Roland SP808 groove sampler which had integrated audio tracks. I like to use actual instruments at times because I play bass and some guitar. It would be nice to record some live playing. I don't think this would make kinetic more bloated, but would give it greater appeal overall. Kinetic X1- Re-imagined... 
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/21 22:24:48
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Almost forgot... it needs midi tracks to be able to handle multi-timbral instruments. The mixer should also have configurable routing options!
Discovered a funny thing about the snap setting that has drastically made Kinetic my first go to program for making beats. I was having problems with Kinetic recording real-time midi. The timing was horrible and newly recorded events would be way ahead of previous recorded notes.
I used the default 16th note setting as well as tried a 1/4 note snap setting with nothing being better. After trying the 128th setting the timing got way better!
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2010/12/22 13:57:28
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I agree with all of you about Kinetic and this week I made a commitment to myself to not fall asleep on any app, hardware, or software ever purchased:)
If we thought that they were good enough to buy and/or download, we are placing limits on our own creativity to believe that any of them have served their purpose to no further end.
Just as music always goes retro at some point, we can always find an angle to make our music cross time and space boundaries by continuing our lab mixes versus subtracting any.
The only reason I can now see dropping something is whether it does not offer an export option and/or connecting an external recording device would result in an unwanted key signature or time change:)
The only Christmas list item that I personally need although Twitch I do admit that your videos have even taken away this excuse is finding something to automate midi mapping!!
I was trying to use a loop created on an app within another product and needing go through individual tracks for the midi mapping seemed rather pointless, so I ended up using the loop as created exported and imported into another DAW.
Sharing between apps and software seems to be the biggest requirement I can see for any production needs. Isolation of samples, loops, patterns, tracks, and songs created seems like a war crime to me.
Let the music play!!!
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/09 15:22:47
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Ok so...I have continued to work with Kinetic and have a couple of things I need someone to test for me. 1.) Rewire - I can only get to a 2 channel output (and yes I have it set to 16 under audio properties). No matter what I do it is ignoring the setting in audio properties. I have tried both on my desktop and laptop and get the same results when trying to Rewire into Sonar. 2.) Midi in on Rewire - when I'm have Kinetic rewired into Sonar I get have midi in even though Kinetic shows are rewire midi in driver. BTW - Loving using BPM (beat programming and sampling) and Kinetic (sequencing and other VSTs) at the same time. If they were both one app that would be awesome. Somebody let me know whats up with these two issues.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/09 15:24:26
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Twitch
Chrisma
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I am sad to hear you leave MOTU BPM.. I love it to death.. I understand the limitations.. But I have step outside the boundaries of UVI... I have loaded Battery effects, .wav and .mp3s within BPM... You probably have seen my videos on youtube.. www.youtube.com/orecordings... But you are right with Kinetic its a very slept on beast in my opinion.. especially with Roland Sp606.. Keep me posted with some songs you have done using kinetic
Twitch,
Its beens so much fun editing midi and automation in Kinetic . You can just pull off some amazing stuff so easily with Kinetic. I think I will be grabbing me a Akai MPK61 for it's MPC input quantize, swing and note repreat. I can pretty much map everything I need to via midi to control Kinetic.
Here's the latest creation I have made using Kinetic for sequencing and song arrangement.
http://www.urbanmultitracks.com/instrumental-rnb-beat-63/
It was composed, arranged and mixed in Kinetic but mastered in Sonar.
Let me know what you think.
Amazing bro! I really like it, and you did all this in kinetic? I must give you props.. big props there man.. I like your beats man, you do very good work..
Thanks Twitch!
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/09 15:44:27
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I know for a fact that you have gone deeper under the hood of Kinetic than I ever have, so there is not much direct help I can offer.
But remember Kinetic can save files as PTN which can be opened directly within Project5 (if you have it or it probably can be found somewhere at a real steal even though it is no longer being developed). Project5 probably can handle more easily whatever Kinetic is failing to for you.
Otherwise, you may have to export the wave files from within Kinetic to avoid the 2 channels of roadblock that seems needless but immovable.
Best wishes on breaking through it!!!
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/09 17:04:00
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seedoflife
I know for a fact that you have gone deeper under the hood of Kinetic than I ever have, so there is not much direct help I can offer.
But remember Kinetic can save files as PTN which can be opened directly within Project5 (if you have it or it probably can be found somewhere at a real steal even though it is no longer being developed). Project5 probably can handle more easily whatever Kinetic is failing to for you.
Otherwise, you may have to export the wave files from within Kinetic to avoid the 2 channels of roadblock that seems needless but immovable.
Best wishes on breaking through it!!!
Thanks man... I have Project5 and can use it as a workaround for exporting multitracks. Just really want to stay in Kinetic because of the song arranger which P5 doesn't have. Just trying to see if the Rewire stuff is broken on my end or Kinetic. T.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/09 21:47:39
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Chrisma
Ok so...I have continued to work with Kinetic and have a couple of things I need someone to test for me.
1.) Rewire - I can only get to a 2 channel output (and yes I have it set to 16 under audio properties). No matter what I do it is ignoring the setting in audio properties. I have tried both on my desktop and laptop and get the same results when trying to Rewire into Sonar.
2.) Midi in on Rewire - when I'm have Kinetic rewired into Sonar I get have midi in even though Kinetic shows are rewire midi in driver.
BTW - Loving using BPM (beat programming and sampling) and Kinetic (sequencing and other VSTs) at the same time. If they were both one app that would be awesome.
Somebody let me know whats up with these two issues.
1) Yes, you only get two channels thru rewire.. its not a traditional rewire where you can get the full 16 tracks. I called Cakewalk on this about 2 years ago. But the beauty of it is you can switch back and forth between the two and PLUS you can bounce the rewire audio tracks to Sonar's tracks, so you can continually build up.. 2)Designed to use a midi controller.. only open Midi slot..
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/10 10:00:03
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Twitch
Chrisma
Ok so...I have continued to work with Kinetic and have a couple of things I need someone to test for me.
1.) Rewire - I can only get to a 2 channel output (and yes I have it set to 16 under audio properties). No matter what I do it is ignoring the setting in audio properties. I have tried both on my desktop and laptop and get the same results when trying to Rewire into Sonar.
2.) Midi in on Rewire - when I'm have Kinetic rewired into Sonar I get have midi in even though Kinetic shows are rewire midi in driver.
BTW - Loving using BPM (beat programming and sampling) and Kinetic (sequencing and other VSTs) at the same time. If they were both one app that would be awesome.
Somebody let me know whats up with these two issues.
1) Yes, you only get two channels thru rewire.. its not a traditional rewire where you can get the full 16 tracks. I called Cakewalk on this about 2 years ago. But the beauty of it is you can switch back and forth between the two and PLUS you can bounce the rewire audio tracks to Sonar's tracks, so you can continually build up..
2)Designed to use a midi controller.. only open Midi slot..
Ok thanks Twitch. Kinda odd the there is a setting for up to 17 channels of rewire and you only get 2. Gotta be a bug. Also, your reply made me reread my post and I'm sorry I didn't realize I wasn't making sense. Duh! LOL! What I meant was basically midi in to Kinetic when rewired in Sonar doesn't work. Or maybe I'm doing it wrong. Anyway can you test this for me. I can deal with only having two rewire channels from Kinetic but I really want to work in Sonar with Kinetic and BPM open at the sametime with them both is song mode. Since you have and understand all 3 apps you can see where I'm going with this can't you? T.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/10 14:36:10
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Midi into kinetic threw sonar?
What exactly are you trying to do? I understand the premise of using BPM and Kinetic along with sonar like you would the old skool way of using [midi sync] to have a drum machine sync to a sequencer. But, it sounds as if you're also trying to use kinetic as a sound module as well?
With a bit more clarity, I can do a more conclusive test.
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/02/10 16:44:08
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kine321
Midi into kinetic threw sonar?
What exactly are you trying to do? I understand the premise of using BPM and Kinetic along with sonar like you would the old skool way of using [midi sync] to have a drum machine sync to a sequencer. But, it sounds as if you're also trying to use kinetic as a sound module as well?
With a bit more clarity, I can do a more conclusive test.
Thanks Kine321. Just trying to fully use Kinetic as a rewire synth in Sonar. I figured it out. For some reason the inserting Kinetic as "simple instrument" track would not transmit midi to Kinetic but using a midi source track and a synth audio track works fine. I'm stoked!!! T.
post edited by Chrisma - 2011/02/10 17:09:01
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Re:Back Into Kinetic
2011/03/23 11:06:32
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Just an FYI...I finally got rewire working correctly. Again its related to Sonar's Simple Instruments. I could not get all the rewire channels to show up in Sonar when inserting Kinetic as a Simple Instrument. What I have to do instead is when I insert it as a Rewire device I only place a checkmark next to "Show Synth Properties" on the dialog box in . Then I can manually route any of the Kinetics (16 or 17) output channels to audio tracks. Enjoy! T.
post edited by Chrisma - 2011/03/23 11:08:17
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