Guitarman1
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programming drums in step sequencer help needed
Taking the dive, into Step Sequencer to come up with drum patterns. I am lost, I watched the master class video, which did help a lot..
To learn to do it, I pulled out an old book I have had of drum patterns for drum machines. Lots of drum patterns and they are set up in "steps" so I am thinking this will work in step sequencer.
But I did a couple and just did not sound right at all. Hope someone can clarify for me on first if this can be done, and second how to do it.
I included a drum pattern sort of from the book, did not want to get into copyright infringement and all
Accent: 7,9
Riding Cymbal: 1,4
High Hat: 7,8,9,10
High Tom: 13,14,15,16,17,18
Low Tom: 19,20,21,22
Bass Drum: 1,4
Although I have changed it somewhat, it is supposed to be Come Together.. it don't sound like it at all It says there are 24 steps in the pattern. I took that as 6 measures of quarter notes, 4 steps per measure.
Am I doing this right?... or from what I think I am not, what am I doing wrong?
Thanx in advance
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/17 00:53:13
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I don't remember the tempo marking of Come together, but I'd say that pattern is just one measure, possibly (unlikely) 2 measures. Just looking at it with morningsleepy eyes and trying to remember the song.
There's no way you can spread that to 6 measures, as if the tom roll (which, IIRC comes in the end of every measure) consisted of 1/4 notes!!!
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/17 17:05:59
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that is what I thought, so how is there 24 steps in a measure? How do I set that up?
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/17 17:22:55
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3/4 time?
4/4 is 16 steps so my guess is 24 would be 2 bars of 3/4 time??? ...maybe.
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/17 17:35:01
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hmmm.. I don't think come together is in 3/4 time though.. it may be that this book can not translate over to the step sequencer.. I would think it should... but I just tried One of these nights by the eagles pattern, and it was 16 steps, I put the tempo at 40 bpm and put one measure with 16 steps, and hehe.. it sounded quite fast
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/17 17:51:00
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3/4 didn't sound right for Come Together. :) Usually 24 steps would be 3/4 time so I'm as confused as you on what the transcription was supposed to be. http://www.mxtabs.net/vie...beatles/come_together/ Just a quick look but 16 step at 4/4, the bass drum is 1-9-11 in the normal section so I don't know what book you're looking at that is BD 1-4. :shrug:
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Guitarman1
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/17 18:31:21
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its a book I bought a few years ago it is called The Drum Book Drum Machine Patterns from Soundsations....
It may not be able to translate over to the step sequencer, not sure... thanx though.. anybody else has some ideas, I am game for any..lol
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 04:50:11
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I've never used Step Sequencer, only Step Recording, so I may be wrong, but could that "24 steps" mean more like 24 events? Some of the events are simultaneous, after all. That pattern description has 20 numbers, two of which are accents, which leaves us with 18 drum hits of which ride cymbals and kicks are simultaneous, which leaves us with 16 steps. So we're missing 8 steps, if step really is a step forward in time, and not an event - are they pauses??? In Step Recording you pick the note length before inserting the note. In that pattern I'd guess the tom hits are 1/32 notes (maybe 1/16) - I don't have energy to think further :o/ Come Together goes in 4/4. My guess is the pattern includes 16 steps, 20 events = 1 measure 1/16 notes.
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2011/01/18 04:58:15
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 05:03:00
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Triplets are very common in drum parts so that might be throwing the math off.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 05:10:38
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Chappel
Triplets are very common in drum parts so that might be throwing the math off.
Actually, I think the toms go in triplets, but I just decided to leave the subject cause I don't have the song here for auditioning. And I really don't know if simultaneous hits are counted as steps. That would sound very strange to me.
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 07:46:45
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Guitarman1
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 11:13:59
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hmm.. sounds logical I must admit, but from what I remember when I had a drum machine, when I bought this book, you just inputted the drum on the step it indicated. Did not have to pick triplets or anything. I have sent a note off to tech support, not sure if they would answer this or not, but worth a try. If they do I will post the response.. I do appreciate all the input, am hoping I can use this book, to better understand drum patterns.. if not then I will start looking online at tabs also. I just tried a pattern from a Who song, I had it set to 4 beats to a beat, if that makes sense. The pattern said 16 steps... and it sounded right, or at least like a real drum pattern. So, 16 beats is a division of 4/4 with 4 beats to a measure. But any other setttings for steps has me stymied.
post edited by Guitarman1 - 2011/01/18 11:50:37
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 18:06:46
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yea, what you got there is 16th notes.... 4 steps for every beat. I count them like this:-
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a
For 16th note triplets you add 2 more steps for every beat.
Each one of thoes blocks in my piano roll view is the same as each one of the steps in your sequencer.
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Re:programming drums in step sequencer help needed
2011/01/18 18:13:08
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Stick with a 4/4 beat and try 8th triplets. If that doesn't work, try 16th triplets.
It may be easier in this case to experiment using Piano Roll View rather than the Step Sequencer.
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