How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ?

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2011/01/07 20:31:37 (permalink)

How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ?

After abandoning it seven (7) years ago, I have rediscovered the great tonal benefits of analog recording and tape saturation.

Smacking the tape at +6 for drums and +3 for distorted electric guitars just works a kind of magic that no amount of plug-ins seems to capture.

Drums get a solid thump and thwack that Plug-In Channel strips and compressors don't seem to equal.

The "fizz" edge of distorted electric guitars are smoothed out and they are just more solid and harmonically rich.

Of course analog is a hassle with tape costs, recorder repairs and the almost non-existent editing, no true loss free backup and  difficult long distance project sharing power.

But tracking to analog first, then transferring to DAW for full powered editing seems to capture the best of both worlds.

More hassles for sure ... but it seems worth the effort for the vast tonal improvement on certain instruments.

Digital is certainly better for complex editing, unlimited tracks, backups, working with other over long distances, no-hiss, etc..

But the one area where analog still seems to excel is simply SOUND.

A high end analog recording simply sounds better than a comparable all digital recording.

Something about the effect tape saturation has on the tone just works so well.

QUESTION --

How many of you still incorporate Analog recording in your SONAR studios ??
post edited by mikespitzer - 2011/01/07 20:52:06
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    Dave Modisette
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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/07 20:40:37 (permalink)
    Haven't done it but there's an old 4 track Teac Reel to Reel deck in my closet that I've been tempted to use for a similar purpose.

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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/07 20:52:32 (permalink)
    I use a hybrid system mixing out to analogue gear i.e. Neve Preamp, 1176, Portico 5043. It adds girth for lack of a better term.

    Analogue tape is basically a filter which softens the highs and saturates the lows. A very nice sounding filter I might add which can be coped from an EQ perspective but the width and depth it provides is not so easily copied. The problem however is the tape hiss that comes with most low end machines. 

    It is nice to see some companies going after the sound of tape and the recent Studer A800 plug in from UAD does a really good job at providing the EQ and soundstage characteristics of tape. I know some people doing this in hardware with the Portico and Cranesong devices as well.  

    Analogue adds a beauty and atmosphere that digital cannot provide at this point and time depending on the type of music you are creating.
    post edited by Middleman - 2011/01/07 20:54:15

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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/07 21:06:46 (permalink)
    I retired my reel to reels 10+ years ago and I am never looking back.

    Living in a small town... it was a maintenance nightmare.

    In this day and age I wouldn't know where to buy tape stock that I'd trust.

    I'm like Middle man... I have better front end gear than most tape based studios I ever got to work with and at least as good as anything in an top flight 1st market studio with the exception of some old stinky holy grail microphones... and I'm working on that.

    I do my best to make it sound great on the way in and then just mix it a bit on the way out.

    It's not the same as tape... but I don't even think about it.

    I just try to make it sound good.

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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/07 21:10:23 (permalink)
    From another thread:

    I do my main recording in computer, mix down to tape and then send the mix back to the computer for burning. I guess I'm using the tape as some sort of effect. Can't explain why I like it but it floats my boat. Besides that it's just that I have this mint 50 lb tape recorder from the 70's in my living room and can't let it be turned into a planter for some shrub. The only problem is that tape has a lousy shelf life and is getting very hard to find and $$$$

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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/07 21:15:50 (permalink)
    I do-- pretty much the same way middleman does, "hybrid"-style.

    When I got my intern gig a few years back I was excited to see they had a 24 track tape machine.  Well it never ended up getting used (actually they sold it) and the engineers would talk about how much of a nuisance it was.  Kind of a bummer that I never learned to use it.
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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/08 00:26:35 (permalink)
    A good front end can get you the analog mojo.  Not the tape compression, of course, but some of the roundness of tone you get from tape and the whole analog chain.  And none of the drawbacks - maintenence, noise, etc.

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    Re:How many of you still use ANALOG recording with your DAW ? 2011/01/08 02:08:11 (permalink)
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    A good front end can get you the analog mojo.  Not the tape compression, of course, but some of the roundness of tone you get from tape and the whole analog chain.  And none of the drawbacks - maintenence, noise, etc.


    Agree with you 100%.  Funny you used "roundness of tone" to describe the sound...

    Here's a a new tape saturation VST plug released just this week.  It's called... Roundtone!

    http://www.sknote.it/Roundtone.htm

    Another recent tape sat plug is Magnetic by Nomad Factory. 

    Rounding them out are two free ones, FerricTDS and Ferox.

    I won't comment on which is best or most realistic... but I do think that between all of these plugs and all the other "warmth" vsts available now, there's no need to resort to using old tape machines for the saturation effect.   With a good pair of ears, you should be able to get close to a "round" tape sound.  

    Unless of course, you want to add noise and wow and flutter... but I think there are now plugs for that too.


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