more details regarding my automation clip bug/crash

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2166797

Mod Bod

In the past I simply clicked on where I wanted to split and press S... Now I have to first locate the now curser in the top portion of a clip then click again in the bottom portion to have it selected, then finally clicking S to split it.... Tell me how this is better for me?

No you don't.  In an Audio clip for example, hold down the ALT key and you will see a scissor icon appear with a vertical line above it.  Line the vertical line up with where you want to split and a left mouse click splits the clip.  It's as easy as it ever was.

Thanks Dave... That reduces the keystrokes but at the cost of accuracy. When I can position the cursor before I cut I always get better results... We had a cut tool that worked like that in earlier Sonar and I never used it as it took me longer to fix my cuts than it did to locate them prior to splitting...   But I'll try...

Keni

guitartrek


I'm trying to get the hang of the edit filter.

Yesterday I wanted to edit a volume envelope on a drum track.  It was the audio track and there were no clips because it is virtual.  I couldn't see the envelope at all.  Then I discovered the edit filter.  I had to go in and click the Volume Envelope and then I could see it.  Is that normal?   If it isn't selected it is invisible?

Yeah, that's how it worked in 8.5 too.  When you right clicked to create an envelope, when you chose what you wanted, the level you'd already set would be the level the envelope appeared at.  It's the same now in X1, except you choose the envelope differently, using that edit filter.  if you have that virtual drum's fader down to -6 before choosing the envelope, that's the level your inserted envelope will appear at.  So yeah, if an envelope isn't selected, it's invisible.  You're not adding control that wasn't there before - you're making controls visible so you can edit them.

RB

Keni

Mod Bod

In the past I simply clicked on where I wanted to split and press S... Now I have to first locate the now curser in the top portion of a clip then click again in the bottom portion to have it selected, then finally clicking S to split it.... Tell me how this is better for me?

No you don't.  In an Audio clip for example, hold down the ALT key and you will see a scissor icon appear with a vertical line above it.  Line the vertical line up with where you want to split and a left mouse click splits the clip.  It's as easy as it ever was.

Thanks Dave... That reduces the keystrokes but at the cost of accuracy. When I can position the cursor before I cut I always get better results... We had a cut tool that worked like that in earlier Sonar and I never used it as it took me longer to fix my cuts than it did to locate them prior to splitting...   But I'll try...

Keni

Get you cursor close, hold the ALT key down and then roll your middle mouse wheel up and you will zoom in.  Position your scissors tool and left mouse click.  That splits the clip even down to the sample level if you like.  Now keep the Alt key down and roll your middle mouse wheel down and you will zoom out.  Move to the next split.  Rinse. Lather. Repeat.  You aren't going to get more accurate than that.

Keni, we got to work together here.  We can't let it be said that you can't teach and old dog new tricks.  Can we?

Randy - Here is what it looks like.  In the first screen you don't see any envelopes. 


If I select VolumeEnvelope I see it.


If I select a different envelope the volume envelope goes away.

Actually if you look better, you can see the envelopes in the first picture. But they are both very dark. Just SHIFT+left-click one of them and it gets selected. You do not have to choose them using the Filter drop down menu.

Rainmaker - I never noticed that - you are right.  I think normally you have a clip in the background which provides a lighter background so you can see a black envelope.  But if you are working with a virtual track or a buss, you can't really see it.  I wonder if that was an oversight.  Also I wonder if there is a setting for the color of the non-selected envelope?

rainmaker1011


Actually if you look better, you can see the envelopes in the first picture. But they are both very dark. Just SHIFT+left-click one of them and it gets selected. You do not have to choose them using the Filter drop down menu.

Ah ha, yes, the envelopes behave differently with projects previously started in 8.5.  That was one of the first thing I noticed when I opened up an in-progress project to see what it'd look like in X1 - the envelopes were already in place, since they were in the 8.5 version, only they were black on black, like the first track of the screen shot on post #39, and so virtually invisible.  But when you start a project in X1, you don't see envelopes until you ask to see them via the filter menu.

Randy B.

rbowser


Right, I know, that's the way it's programmed now.  You need to use the filter to choose an envelope in order to see it, and you can see just one at a time.  It's well named as a Filter, because that's exactly what it's doing, it's filtering your view.  And part of their thinking would seem to be that users were annoyed when they'd get a pile up of envelopes on a track, grabbing the one you didn't intend etc.

Randy B.

I'm one of those annoyed users, lol, who have been wound up by that envelope bug. It's been there in all Sonar versions and only X1 seems to have corrected it with Cntr+Shift (or the Filter view). It's a shame that Cntr+Shift on an envelope wasn't included in Sonar 8.5. A shame.

Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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You can also use the Edit Filter to switch to the in-line piano roll view.

Robin

Thanks Robin - I like the Edit Filter generally - but it does not work properly for me on layered MIDI clips. Can you verify? In track view, if there are more than 1 MIDI clip layers, the Edit Filter allows multiple Velocity envelopes to be created - but then no matter what I try I can only edit the velocity envelopes on 1 of the layers! Works fine in 8.5.3 - but not in X1. The workaround is to ensure there is only one layer of MIDI data per track.