Is Scrub Gone From everywhere?

I don't miss it much in audio as the visuals out-paced the ancient techniques of rocking tape to edit, but in the PRV? I use the scrub constantly to hear short chunks of MIDI notes while editing...

I hope this is here and I'm just not finding it?

It's feeling as if I've lost more than I've gained with X1... I have my screen set to only the TV and the PRV/Console Views Large enuf to cover the TV.... Everything else is left closed.

So I'm feeling very little of the "advantages" of this new UI so far.... So far it's a battle of changed/missing or hard to find/access tools I use all day long...

I do like the new 76 compressor and the tube saturation feature but those could have easily been plugins for me...

The smart tool? I don't feel much difference here other than having to re-learn a few reversed tool selections in the PRV...

So what am I getting here? Sadly I feel as tho I've stepped a long distance backward with more fixes needed than before all for the sake of the new ui which I'm not finding especially useful for me...

Maybe Cakewalk will decide to finish fixing the bugs in 8.5.3 for those who were happy there? ....Nah. I know that's not gonna happen...

Keni

Hey Keni,

Scrub has been changed to the "J" key - press and hold to use Scrub (no change from 8.5 in functionality, though).

You can use Key Bindings to change it to a different key if you'd like!

Zyler Vega [Cakewalk
]

Hey Keni,

Scrub has been changed to the "J" key - press and hold to use Scrub (no change from 8.5 in functionality, though).

You can use Key Bindings to change it to a different key if you'd like!

Really? How.  When working in the piano roll, which is where I do most of my work, I can't seem to get back my bread-and-butter key commands "S" "D" or "B" which had been assigned by default to select, draw and scrub.  They also used to toggle.  Why was this changed?  I really miss it.

And to make matters worse, in preferences/advanced/customization/key bindings if you look under Piano Roll View, "Scrub" is gone??  If you look in 8.5 it was right under disable floating.

I understand the desire to forge forward but why break the most basic commands that made midi editing a breeze in the first place?

Please address this.  I sent a more detailed report in feature requests.

[update]

Ok, after applying (2) patches and (3) hotfixes I went in back in, dug a little deeper and got my old key commands back... had to look is all,  now if they only toggled like before

Keni

Zyler Vega [Cakewalk
]

Hey Keni,

Scrub has been changed to the "J" key - press and hold to use Scrub (no change from 8.5 in functionality, though).

You can use Key Bindings to change it to a different key if you'd like!

Hi Zyler...

I know this is from an old posting, but as there was a recent reply, it reminded me to complain that jog must now be a two handed operation??? That's horrible! (I haven't tried it but I know I'm not gonna like having both hands busy for such a simple job)...

I hope I'm wrong it it does not need to be held??? <sigh>...

Keni

Relax Keni!  You do not need to use two hands.  One hand and a nose on the QWERTY keyboard is all that is required.
 
CW had this one figured out pretty well.  As the user was banging their head against the desk wondering why so much of the functionality has been changed they thought, "The head will be in the general vicinity of the keyboard! Eureka!"
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...That's why "buttons\tools" were VERY much better....

...they were at sight, giving immediate visible feedback, being enlightened or off....

...in fact, I will never buy the "happiness" about keybindings...

...tools must be available at first sight and at hand... that's why the mouse was invented...

...typing during music production (and trying to remember all keys...) is absolutely unnatural... a huge step back....   

 
 

Keni


I couldn't agree more...

They'd better do some serious thinking about this direction they've chosen and straighten things out or they're gonna lose more users than they can imagine...

...I'm very greatful for benstat's Sonar Plus and Panup's Sonar Mods... they've brought a great deal of lost back to found...

Keni

I'm with you Keni, you already knew....
 
Yes, Benstat and Panup are doing a great job and we are grateful to them, but it (they) should be CAKEWALK itself to provide BACK what we ONCE ALREADY had....
See ya, mate....

The GUI itself? I guess it's a good tool for the multi-monitor users, but it's of little value to me as one 19" screen is too small to divide into little tiny windows...

Keni, have you tried setting up full screen screenset view of each view/window you use and then simply switching between them with a keypress?

No need for lots of little windows on one monitor. I think that X1 has almost made multiple monitors almost redundant, I use 2 ATM on my studio setup - but find little difference in convenience when using a single screen 15" laptop.

TBH Keni for basic viewing there isn't really much advantage to using screensets over using a single one with the multidock.

Where they really come into their own is being able to set up views for how you like to work and then calling them up as needed.

Here's a couple of examples. When I use the CV view I like to see either tracks and my master buss or just busses. So I have one screenset that is the CV with just tracks and the master buss showing and another with just busses. Switching between them is then just a keypress.

When I'm editing MIDI I don't want to see the audio tracks in my TV so I hide all of them and open a PRV in the maximised multidock. Editing MIDI is then simply opening a track (I use a CS but double clicking will do it) and then when finished pressing D hides the dock. I use 2 SS set up like that one is zoomed in and one zoomed out so I don't even have to bother doing that.

Different snaps are available that way too although since X1b you need to set a variable includesnapinscreenset=1 in your ini file.

There are many more ways of using them and I find them that useful I beginning to think I need another 10.

Remember as well that I, C, B & D are also there to help make maximum use of screen real estate. Combine all of the above with SonarPlus hiding the menu and title bar and it's a pretty good way of working. IMHO of course.

One screen is never going to be as handy as 2 simply because as you've said you can't see the TV and CV in full screen at the same time but SS certainly go a long way to making one screen as convenient as two.

gothic.angel


...That's why "buttons\tools" were VERY much better....

...they were at sight, giving immediate visible feedback, being enlightened or off....

...in fact, I will never buy the "happiness" about keybindings...

...tools must be available at first sight and at hand... that's why the mouse was invented...

...typing during music production (and trying to remember all keys...) is absolutely unnatural... a huge step back....   

I second this sentiment. The only function buttons I want to bind would be on my music keyboard near my hands when playing. There must be an intelligent combo of mouse and keybinding for the fastest work. The best thing Cake could have done was leave the customization features alone there so we could have exactly the toolbars and menus we needed individually - all the months of endless bickering around here would have been solved with everyone mostly happy. Problem is, the vast majority of you were too lazy to ever figure out how to customize Sonar 8.5 menus and toolbars, and so have no clue what I mean when I say it could be way cleaner, more powerful, and easier to use than the new X1 menus. The old smart tool was also able to be used just like the new one, but was customizable. Instead of emphasizing/improving the customization tools and providing presets for the interface, Cakewalk picked one limited new way for everything to be and removed that incredible power, and it will never work for all parties - thats about all I think anyone around here agrees on after months of back and forth whining on all sides. The whole attitude/approach used to design X1 can be summarized with the removal of separate snap grids in PRV/track view - change for the sake of change, and one size fits all.

Bring back FULL customizations - why waste the years of development of those features by throwing them out in favor of "the future" which has proved problematic and limiting.

Course every time I mention this, someone comes along bleating about 'bloat', or instability caused by customizations - guess what, I am doing just fine on Sonar 8.5 over here - never crashes, and its customized to the hilt using the built in tools. Sure I would love some of the new features in X1, but for now it sits uninstalled since I removed it in early January, while I wait for it to get its spirit back and become stable/bug free enough to use.

D.

Keni


Hi Cornieleous...

I agree with you completely... But I also believe that changing the UI required them to re-think some things with a new set of abilities and disabilities as well aslearning the ins and outs of it... I doubt they left these things out simply because they thought them un-necessary...

But in my opinion, they should have fixed the 8.5.3 issues (which are improved in X1), offerred the PC as a new software plugin, and continued to build a fully working version of the new UI to be released when it's caught up to 8.5.3...

I agree about the customization in 8.5.3 and do not feel the new UI improves on that at all... More the opposite.

I too have always touted Cakewalk for making things so that users could ahndle things in many ways and the new system is a far cry from that... Of course it has lots of the old still in it, but even then bent, twisted, and moved...

But Let's try to stay away from another rant here... I'm plenty guilty of it all the time as I post anything it's heavily taitned with my dis-like for this release...

Snap?!?               $&@#%)(%&@_)%&@*%

Keni

Hi Keni,

First rule of New Snap Grid: "You do not talk about new snap grid!"

I tend to also post sometimes with my frustrations on my mind. I do think that a positive end result will come out of the X1 gamble provided Cake keeps listening, and I am still hanging around - which says something about my overall belief in the company.

It's so simple to open/close the window I want to be in... I don't use multidock at all... I keep it hidden with Sonar Plus...

Keni, I'm just curious in case I'm missing a method I don't know about but how do you open and close the windows PRV/CV etc. easily without the multidock? That's what I thought one of the improvements of X1 and raison d'etre of the multidock was, the ability to open & close windows with a single keypress but if there's an easier/better method I'm all ears.

cornieleous

gothic.angel


...That's why "buttons\tools" were VERY much better....

...they were at sight, giving immediate visible feedback, being enlightened or off....

...in fact, I will never buy the "happiness" about keybindings...

...tools must be available at first sight and at hand... that's why the mouse was invented...

...typing during music production (and trying to remember all keys...) is absolutely unnatural... a huge step back....   

 
I second this sentiment.
 
...The best thing Cake could have done was leave the customization features alone there so we could have exactly the toolbars and menus we needed individually...
 
...Problem is, the vast majority of you were too lazy to ever figure out how to customize Sonar 8.5 menus and toolbars, and so have no clue what I mean when I say it could be way cleaner, more powerful, and easier to use than the new X1 menus.
 
...Cakewalk picked one limited new way for everything to be and removed that incredible power, and it will never work for all parties - thats about all I think anyone around here agrees on after months of back and forth whining on all sides...
 
...Bring back FULL customizations - why waste the years of development of those features by throwing them out in favor of "the future" which has proved problematic and limiting...

D.

 
Indeed...
 
  ...Those are THE points...