rainmaker1011
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Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
Hi,
I have checked Zero controllers when play stop in MIDI/Project preferences but when I hit Stop and there was "Pedal down" event active, I hear the sustained sound until I press the foot pedal.
How should I set Sonar so this sustained sound will not occur after I hit stop? Do I have to set something in Kontakt player?
(using Scarbee vintage keys, latest Kontakt player)
I didn't have such problem in 8.5.
Thanks
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2010/12/28 14:53:39
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I'm not seeing this with Alicia's Keys in Kontakt 4 Player, even with Zero Controllers disabled. I haven't made any config changes to Kontakt. And Zero Controllers is working to stop sustain of hardware synths.
Not sure what to suggest, but it seems the problem might be peculiar to the Scarbee library/rules...? You might want to check the NI forums if you haven't already.
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/01 11:42:11
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Brundlefly thanks for chiming in. Have you ever experienced the problem I have with any soft synth? I had it with Sonar 8.5 too with "some" VSTis... Can anyone with Scarbee confirm having this issue too, please? I was working on a new project and it was really a pain in *** having the sustained sound every time I stopped the playback. short video with sound illustrating this: http://www.screencast.com...4e5a-b2e9-f17cb9fc9435
post edited by rainmaker1011 - 2011/01/01 11:48:49
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/01 15:52:43
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Just a shot in the dark here since I'm not using X1:
One thing that I noticed in the video is that you are starting your project at measure one.
I always start any project (audio or midi) at measure two, try inserting a measure of silence in the project and see if that makes a difference.
May not make a difference but who knows?
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 12:14:30
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gustabo
Just a shot in the dark here since I'm not using X1:
One thing that I noticed in the video is that you are starting your project at measure one.
I always start any project (audio or midi) at measure two, try inserting a measure of silence in the project and see if that makes a difference.
May not make a difference but who knows?
Will try it. Anyway, I posted a similar post on NI forums but havent got a single response yet. Is anyone using NI Scarbee with Sonar X1 and can confirm Zero controllers option work reliably for him? Thanks
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 12:56:53
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rainmaker1011
Brundlefly thanks for chiming in. Have you ever experienced the problem I have with any soft synth? I had it with Sonar 8.5 too with "some" VSTis...
Can anyone with Scarbee confirm having this issue too, please?
I was working on a new project and it was really a pain in *** having the sustained sound every time I stopped the playback.
short video with sound illustrating this:
http://www.screencast.com...4e5a-b2e9-f17cb9fc9435/
Marek, sorry I never saw this. The answer is no, I don't think I've ever seen a problem with sustain not getting cancelled as is apparently shown in your video. I have seen issues where playback is stopped before all the Note Offs are received, and a note(s) will continue to sound because of that, but that's a different (and well known) issue. It's a little hard to tell from the video exactly where you are hitting stop, but it appears to be after the note offs. I would still bet this is a Scarbee issue. Do you have any other Kontakt intruments you can compare? Incidentally, I don't think starting at 1:01:000 matters. I start most of my projects at time zero with no trouble.
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 13:05:05
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rainmaker1011
Hi,
I have checked Zero controllers when play stop in MIDI/Project preferences but when I hit Stop and there was "Pedal down" event active, I hear the sustained sound until I press the foot pedal.
How should I set Sonar so this sustained sound will not occur after I hit stop? Do I have to set something in Kontakt player?
(using Scarbee vintage keys, latest Kontakt player)
I didn't have such problem in 8.5.
Thanks
Marek, I get this problem ALL the time with certain plugins (Synths). And it's something that has been talked about often over the years around here. There's never been a consensus on who is supposed to manage it (ie, the host or the plugin). I just accept it's one of 'those things' and hit stop when need be. It is also very patch dependent too. Some synths don't have the problem "always" but do when a particular patch triggers it. I don't think there's much one can do about it these days, so I just live with it. Oh and Sonar is not the only host that has this happen.
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 14:10:32
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Thank you guys... Not a good news but, well... :) Hope someday someone is going to fix this :). Until then, I will make the sustain pedal's cable longer so I can step on it if needed when doing MIDI editing.
I reported this to CW, so maybe they will look on it.
Again, thanks and take care... ;)
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 14:16:46
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ba_midiMarek, I get this problem ALL the time with certain plugins (Synths). And it's something that has been talked about often over the years around here. Billy, just to be clear, are you saying you get this problem with CC64 sustain messages not being zeroed (or the synth not responding), and being able to corrrect it by cycling the sustain pedal? I thought the issue was just with stopping the transport before all note offs have been sent, and having to actually stop the audio engine. But I haven't reviewed the discussions we've had about this, so I might not be remembering correctly.
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 14:55:52
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brundlefly
ba_midi
Marek, I get this problem ALL the time with certain plugins (Synths). And it's something that has been talked about often over the years around here.
Billy, just to be clear, are you saying you get this problem with CC64 sustain messages not being zeroed (or the synth not responding), and being able to corrrect it by cycling the sustain pedal? I thought the issue was just with stopping the transport before all note offs have been sent, and having to actually stop the audio engine. But I haven't reviewed the discussions we've had about this, so I might not be remembering correctly.
Dave, There are a few scenarios: 1- you SOLO a track OTHER than the one that gets the problem (ie, you solo a kick drum while a synth patch is playing on another track) and when you unsolo the kick the synth is still sounding the last note played when you hit SOLO. This I think is a 'note-off' problem. 2- Same thing happens if you mute another track and the synth track was playng a sustained note/chord as above. 3- You hit stop before the sustain pedal release triggered. This is to be expected, though. Only a STOP will stop the sustains in these cases IF you have "zero controllers" checked. If it's not, then it takes pressing the sustain pedal so the synth gets the release (up pedal) or stopping the engine.
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Re:Zero controllers when play stops - Kontakt 4 Player
2011/01/09 16:33:23
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Only a STOP will stop the sustains in these cases IF you have "zero controllers" checked. If it's not, then it takes pressing the sustain pedal so the synth gets the release (up pedal) or stopping the engine. Right. But as I read it, the OP is saying that even Stop with Zero Controllers enabled is not stopping sustained notes. This is different, no?
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