eternal85
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A puzzling issue that popped up in X1 (SOLVED!!!!)
OK, so here is the thing. This happens whenever I record any MIDI  Pretty basic right? Well here comes the trouble, when I grab those notes and move them down 2 steps, you'll see the artifacts I'm getting  Is that some sort of aftertouch recording? Artifacting? I have never had this problem before in any version of SONAR I've used (4-8) until now. Win 7 x64 2.33 Quad-Core 8GB RAM SONAR X1a (x32) UA-101 USB Audio Interface (ASIO Recording) M-Audio UNO 1x1 MIDI interface Anyone have any ideas on what I can check?
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:36:42
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Not happening here. Can you select those notes/artefacts or are they just graphical?
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eternal85
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:41:00
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Those notes can be selected and manipulated like any other MIDI note
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:44:42
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Is this an ordinary MIDI keyboard you're recording? Can you try another one, as it looks as if this one double-triggers. How are the short note events looking in the event list (duration, note off position).
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:46:53
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Have you tried recording MIDI with a different DAW (free or demo or older version of SONAR if you have it) to see if they show the same thing? Is it possible that the keyboard (assuming you are using a keyboard) is putting out two events when you press the key? Have you changed drivers for the UNO recently?
It doens't happen for me, but I'm using a Kurzweil and EMU1212M.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:49:29
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What controller are you using
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:52:22
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What does the events list show at those time/measure locations?
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 08:53:52
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Take a look at the event list before and after the move.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 09:02:37
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Alright, now were getting somewhere ... first off Controller is an 88 Key M-Audio Prokeys Sono (the one with the audio interface built-in) ... don't ask, I just need the full 88 keys Anyway, a snippet of the event list  I tried making sure all knobs on keyboard are either turned down and all buttons are off. Gonna try and reinstall driver for the UNO
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 09:06:48
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is that a dual zone or 3 zone controller?
I had the same issue with my maudio prokeys 88 controller.
TWO zones were active at the same time and was sending multiple note and other info ...
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 09:09:46
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Hmmm I am not sure about the dual or three zone thing. Where can I check to see if that is the case?
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 09:10:54
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I was doing some work for Roland for a while and they gave me a PCR 800 controller and it was generating the same very short notes for some reason. (not at first either but after a month or so) This may not apply in your case but I cured it by doing a complete factory reset of the controller. Anyway just an idea. I have not come across it again until I saw your post. If you can, try a different controller to isolate the problem. (better still use a controller with a Midi Out if you are using the USB connection)
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 09:34:25
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eternal85
Hmmm I am not sure about the dual or three zone thing. Where can I check to see if that is the case?
88 Key M-Audio Prokeys Sono I took a quick look at the specs its only a single zone controller. But it has a Midi out jack and midi over USB , do you have both enabled and plugged in by some chance?
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 09:54:02
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I took a quick look at the specs its only a single zone controller. But it has a Midi out jack and midi over USB ,
do you have both enabled and plugged in by some chance?
That's my guess as well. I had the same issue.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 10:17:04
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when I grab those notes and move them down 2 steps,....
Are you sure you have selected the "whole" of the notes? perhaps being in a hurry you are lasso-ing them but leaving out of your selection snippets which then remain there? Just an idea....
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 12:55:54
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I actually am using the USB to power it and a MIDI out cable connected to the UNO ... hmmm let me see if that is the problem.
and to thegeek,
It is an independent on/off event, so I don't even want them there in the first place as it triggers the note and causes interference with the main note I am playing
Let me try the suggestions thus far, thanks again for all of your help
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 13:51:48
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I did some recording with a yamaha WX5/VL70 tone module. I got those same ghost notes too.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 14:46:50
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eternal85
I actually am using the USB to power it and a MIDI out cable connected to the UNO ... .
You are sure you are not sending MIDI via BOTH outs? To the Uno via Midi cable AND Prokeys via USB? Sounds to me like you have your channel-input set to "all MIDI/omni" and so you get your double events. Although in that case they should be of equal lengths, but you never know...
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 14:54:13
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eternal85
I actually am using the USB to power it and a MIDI out cable connected to the UNO ... .
You are sure you are not sending MIDI via BOTH outs? To the Uno via Midi cable AND Prokeys via USB? Sounds to me like you have your channel-input set to "all MIDI/omni" and so you get your double events. Although in that case they should be of equal lengths, but you never know... I just saw this thread for the first time, and was going to post exactly this. This is another example of the MIDI crosstalk bug. Even if you are set to record only from one specific port, SONAR will fail to distinguish those events from the ones arriving on the same channel of the other port, and you'll get these truncated notes. The OP will need to disconnect either the USB or MIDI DIN connection.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 15:44:54
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That was it!!!!!!!!!!
I had to disable one of the MIDI inputs!!!
Thanks again for everyone's help!!!!!
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 18:35:45
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This is another example of the MIDI crosstalk bug. Even if you are set to record only from one specific port, SONAR will fail to distinguish those events from the ones arriving on the same channel of the other port
Wow! Is that confimed? Bummer.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 18:51:09
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brundlefly
This is another example of the MIDI crosstalk bug. Even if you are set to record only from one specific port, SONAR will fail to distinguish those events from the ones arriving on the same channel of the other port
Wow! Is that confimed? Bummer.
Yes, unfortunately. This goes back a ways. Just Google "MIDI Crosstalk site:forum.cakewalk.com". Fortunately, it's pretty easily avoided unless you somehow need to simultaneously record more than 16 channels of live MIDI data. Channels remain discrete, and output is not affected. You just can't record the same input channel across multiple ports at the same time. There are some related MIDI buffering issues affecting plug-ins that pass or generate MIDI output, however, that are apparently unavoidable. Member Silktone has documented this pretty thoroughly.
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Re:A puzzling issue that popped up in X1
2011/01/03 19:04:04
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brundlefly
This is another example of the MIDI crosstalk bug. Even if you are set to record only from one specific port, SONAR will fail to distinguish those events from the ones arriving on the same channel of the other port
Wow! Is that confimed? Bummer.
Yes, unfortunately. This goes back a ways. Just Google "MIDI Crosstalk site:forum.cakewalk.com". Fortunately, it's pretty easily avoided unless you somehow need to simultaneously record more than 16 channels of live MIDI data. Channels remain discrete, and output is not affected. You just can't record the same input channel across multiple ports at the same time.
There are some related MIDI buffering issues affecting plug-ins that pass or generate MIDI output, however, that are apparently unavoidable. Member Silktone has documented this pretty thoroughly.
ha ha, great. MIDI crosstalk bug, nearly forgot that. Well at least everything else is working perfectly in X1. ROFL
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