Interleave settings change on their own in X1 UPDATE (02-07-11): Added 2nd Video

Has anyone else experienced any problems with the track interleave changing from stereo to mono on it's own? I noticed it when I assigned Guitar Rig Pro 4 to a track. I record a mono guitar part, set interleave to Stereo, save the project, and reopen it, and the interleave is set back to Mono. Also, if you clone the track with it set to Stereo, after you clone the track it changes the interleave settings on both tracks to mono.

At least two of us have reported this issue that I'm aware of. Cakewalk responded to one of us and said they can't duplicate the problem.

My system specs are:

i5 750 Quad Core
4Gb 1333 RAM (NO Overclocking!)
Gigabyt mobo
HD5450 PCIe 1Gb Video Card
M-Audio Fast Track Ultra USB
Windows 7 x64
X1a x64

I have latest drivers for my vid card, fast track ultra, windows 7, and C++ files.

I've played the game and reported it through the proper channels, they say nothing is wrong, so here I am in the forums.

Any other ideas short of a total format and see how she goes approach?

UPDATE (01-26-11):

I was able to reproduce one of the interleave problems I was having so I did a video. One thing I forgot to mention in the video is, the X1a patch has been applied. Also, I tried to open this project in X1 32bit and 64 bit and I get the same results.

Interleave Problem Video
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UPDATE (02-07-11):

I did another video this time showing what's happening with multiple effects. It's not just isolated to Guitar Rig Pro 4. I submitted another bug report and gave them a link to the video. I eventually did receive a response from support for my first report but I don't think I explained the problem well enough because they said it wasn't a problem. All I can say is, I've been using Sonar since 4PE and I've never had to go back through all the tracks in my project and check the interleave settings once I changed them and saved the changes. No matter what they are set to, once you make the change and save the project the changes should stick. It's a real problem if you are using a stereo delay, or stereo chorus.

2nd Interleave video showing issue with multiple effects.
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Hopefully this video will explain what I'm talking about clear enough this time. Also, in the video notice how one of the effects shows it's stereo even when the interleave is set to mono. Not sure if that's right or not. Usually the ticks under the effect name in the FX bin change from 2 (stereo) to 1 (mono) when interleave is set accordingly. I can reproduce this in multiple projects. I've done a complete format and clean install of my system and it was doing it before and after the clean install. It's not doing it in every track, some track interleave settings will stay where I put them. Doh!

This is the last time I'm going to bring it up, no sense in beating a dead horse.

Thanks.

Bub

Could be a feature.  When I am setting up guitar tracks, I have been pleasantly surprised every time that I have thought that I forgot to set the Interleave to Mono, it was already set to the correct state.

I kind of like having the Interleave sense what is mono if this is indeed a feature and not my imagination.  It helps to prevent pan law issues.

Bub: I don't use Guitar Rig (and don't have it installed to try) so I tried using another stereo plug in.

1: I recorded a guitar part in Mono.
2: I applied a stereo Sonitus delay, and made sure the "left/right" delays are different. It is indeed stereo.
3: I set the interleave to Stereo

I have closed/opened X1 several times, and also rebooted and tried again. I am not able to re-produce this problem.

Next I swapped out the Delay for a Reverb. Same results after several restarts.

I am on a 32 bit system, so that certainly differs from yours.
Maybe this is a Guitar Rig problem (have you tried with other plugs) or a 64 bit problem.
 
EDIT: I just thought I would throw in my results for troubleshooting purposes! I'm not suggesting this isn't a problem and I hope it doesn't get taken that way. I will be watching for this to occur in coming sessions. Thanks for pointing it out.

Hey Bub

You're definitely right that cloning a mono track that has the interleave set to stereo ends up with a track with the interleave set back to mono. I'm guessing that X1 is trying to be smart and sense the interleave from the input type, rather than leaving it as the user set it. However, if I save a project with a mono track that has the interleave set to stereo, then re-open, it preserves the interleave. This doesn't seem consistent. Perhaps worth a bug report. I suggest you keep it simple, with a step by step from the normal template. Forget plugins. I'll do it if you don't want to.

Cheers, Peter.

bitflipper


Maybe because Guitar Rig is a mono-only effect?

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"At least two of us have reported this issue that I'm aware of. Cakewalk responded to one of us and said they can't duplicate the problem."

This has been happening to me since I first tried the Guitar Rig they sent out a few years ago in the Producer Bundle.

It still happens... but personally, for me... I have just tolerated it and didn't consider it a bug but rather a quirk having to do with re engaging the record function... my input is, by my personal habit, always a mono input. I just assumed that if the input was a stereo bus that the interleave would stay at stereo each time I took an over dub pass.

I set up a track, leave it in mono, arm record... record. Engage stereo interleave. Listen to playback. Then when I do an overdub, the track always reverts to mono interleave... and I manually reset it to stereo. Every time. It's just part of using SONAR to me.

The fact that Cakewalk can't reproduce a issue that I have witnessed for several years each time I use Guitar Rig leaves me scratching my head.

As far as I can tell Guitar Rig is certainly a stereo effect... full of cool stereo features... I think even the basic *mono* tracks sound more *something special* when interleave is set to stereo... which leads me to assume that even the patches that are presumably mono are actually modeled with a stereo treatment. Sort of like if you record a single guitar amp with a X/Y mic setup... the X/Y will sparkle with movement on the *mono* source material.

best regards,
mike

sort of along the same vein and maybe related.

I notice that with some plugs that are designated as mono plugs (waves), on a mono track, that any sends from that track, say to a stereo reverb,, then the summed output becomes mono (reverb).

thanks for the video. I think I'll include this link with my next reply with the ticket.