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Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
Hi There,
I know this is an X1 sub forum but I know lots of you clever guys who used 8.5.3 are here. I've tried switching to X1a but it still not in fit state for me to use yet. I will go there when its sorted and I'm sure Cakewalk are on it....
So at risk of annoying this forum...... but it may apply to X1 as well...
I'm running a stable Sonar 8.5.3 64 bit on I7 machine Win 7 64 bit. Melodyne editor plugin (1.2 64 bit) loads ok and works exactly as it should but crashes randomly whilst I'm editing blobs etc. Seems there is no pattern to it, get different error messages or just hangs. Between crashes its working as it should. I was hoping everything would be stable now its all 64 bit compatible. It sometimes just needs a Sonar re-start others a complete re-boot. This will happen say up to 10 times if I was tidying up a vocal on a 3 min song and its driving me nuts.
Any ideas out there with you clever guys. ? I love Melodyne and what it can do, but this is really frustrating and unusable.
help really appreciated from cold, windy and damp UK
Chris
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/17 16:20:17
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I have melodyne as well. one of my most finicky plugins. I wish I had better advice, but my crashes are constant, and extremely annoying as well. My best advice is to SAVE OFTEN. And I've also found that it's best NEVER to use more than one instance of the melodyne plugin at a time.
Good luck and let me know if you find any solutions!
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/17 16:46:40
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While the newest version of Melodyne works much better in Sonar...I prefer to simply fly the vocal I'm working out to the desktop and work on it with Melodyne in standalone mode. I get a bigger screen and bigger blobs and no sketchyness. Plus, then I have a backup vocal outside Sonar to boot.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/17 17:09:48
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yep- thats def the way to go if you're not stupid/lazy like me :)
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/17 17:28:57
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I have Melodyne x64 with X1 and yes I've had crashes. The sort where Sonar just completely disappears off your screen. They seemed to occur when I leave Melodyne in an saved project and then re-open it later. Obviously I get around this by using Melodyne (to pitch correct my awful vocals) and apply it to the track. Of course this means you have to finish the Melodyne session completely.
… and it still doesn't loop properly in Sonar! Very frustrating.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 03:15:57
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 03:16:38
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My experience is that as a plugin Melodyne should be used for audio portions so small that you never need to close a project leaving an active instance of Melodyne in the project. Always bounce the Melodyne edit before closing the session and delete the instance of Melodyne, and never use more than one instance at a time. I'm using Melodyne Plugin.
To me that is the only way to avoid strange problems when loading a project - VST halts etc.
And like that the program works very well. I've excused this thinking Melodynes task is such a complicated one.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 05:03:45
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Melodyne works best for me, and I'm no expert on the program, when I export the vocal track as a wav file. Then I shut down Sonar and run Melodyne stand-alone. It's an impressive program but it takes tons of resources. So does Sonar.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 05:20:40
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Sounds like it's working perfectly normal! But really, What was already mentioned by some of the others about saving the edit as a wave file is one workaround. Also if you have a previous version of Sonor like 6,7,8, Melodyne seems to run better on older Sonor versions.
Hi There,
I know this is an X1 sub forum but I know lots of you clever guys who used 8.5.3 are here. I've tried switching to X1a but it still not in fit state for me to use yet. I will go there when its sorted and I'm sure Cakewalk are on it....
So at risk of annoying this forum...... but it may apply to X1 as well...
I'm running a stable Sonar 8.5.3 64 bit on I7 machine Win 7 64 bit. Melodyne editor plugin (1.2 64 bit) loads ok and works exactly as it should but crashes randomly whilst I'm editing blobs etc. Seems there is no pattern to it, get different error messages or just hangs. Between crashes its working as it should. I was hoping everything would be stable now its all 64 bit compatible. It sometimes just needs a Sonar re-start others a complete re-boot. This will happen say up to 10 times if I was tidying up a vocal on a 3 min song and its driving me nuts.
Any ideas out there with you clever guys. ? I love Melodyne and what it can do, but this is really frustrating and unusable.
help really appreciated from cold, windy and damp UK
Chris
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 05:36:08
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My Melodyne editor 1.2.0 x64 are stable as rock both in SONAR X1 and SONAR 8.5.
I havn't had one crash yet with Melodyne 1.2.0 x64!!! Before they released the x64, the x32 version with Jbridge or Sonar bitbridge crash all the time, graphical bug and so on.
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/01/18 05:39:06
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 05:45:41
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Hi There,
I know this is an X1 sub forum but I know lots of you clever guys who used 8.5.3 are here. I've tried switching to X1a but it still not in fit state for me to use yet. I will go there when its sorted and I'm sure Cakewalk are on it....
So at risk of annoying this forum...... but it may apply to X1 as well...
I'm running a stable Sonar 8.5.3 64 bit on I7 machine Win 7 64 bit. Melodyne editor plugin (1.2 64 bit) loads ok and works exactly as it should but crashes randomly whilst I'm editing blobs etc. Seems there is no pattern to it, get different error messages or just hangs. Between crashes its working as it should. I was hoping everything would be stable now its all 64 bit compatible. It sometimes just needs a Sonar re-start others a complete re-boot. This will happen say up to 10 times if I was tidying up a vocal on a 3 min song and its driving me nuts.
Any ideas out there with you clever guys. ? I love Melodyne and what it can do, but this is really frustrating and unusable.
help really appreciated from cold, windy and damp UK
Chris
I have no idea? I have some Questions that might couse the problems?
*Have you AERO ON in Windows 7? Have it ON very important! *What graphic card are you using? ATI or NVIDIA. I'm using NVIDIA. *Have you overclocked your computer? Perhpas Memory running in overclocked mode? Don't overclock, especially the memory! 9 of 10 times it all comes down to memory errors in all programs. *Have you disable coreparking in Windows 7? You should!  * Have you Stop all sleep modes and powersaving features? In BIOS too? You should!
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/01/18 05:49:44
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 10:17:28
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Thanks for replies.
Freddie, thanks for the questions.
I can confirm all coreparking, powersaving is turned off.
Graphics is ATI, but 32 bit Melo on same PC worked fine.
No overclocking
Re Aero, Im sure I turned that off, will check when I get home and turn it on. Thanks for suggestion.
How might that cause these problems ?
Your help is appreciated.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 10:54:46
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Although I am running a 32 bit OS (XP - SP3) I can still say with confidence that any version of Melodyne Plugin (as it used to be referred to) is far more stable than Melodyne Editer (which is also a plugin, leading to ever more confusion). I have given up on using Editor until the Celemony website\forum declares a majory victory over the numerous well documented issues with Editor (see the user forum). I lived without DNA (that's a pretty odd thing to say, no?) for this long, I can live without it until version FIXED arrives. To me, getting the work out quickly and painlessly is far more important than using the most current version of a product. As far as I am concerned, Editor is still not ready for prime time.
If Celemony would take their head out of the sand and allow multiple versions of their product to run side-by-side (like SONAR does), I would be more inclined to use it. As it stands now, to install version Editor, you must uninstall version Plugin. I will not have any of that until Editor is ROCK SOLID. Do your clients ever watch you work? Mine do, and crashes are purely unnaceptable (the client must be thinking "Am I being billed for that lost effort?").
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 11:33:40
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Here's another reason I fly everything out to the desktop...no matter how much I increase the resolution of the blobs in the plugin using the vertical and horizontal sliders I can never get them "big" enough for me to be comfortable working with them. Or is there some hidden secret I don't know? In the standalone...using full screen...I can get them as big as I want.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 11:41:43
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Hi Chris,
Rule number one: Save often.
Latest Melodyne (as plug-in) is much more stable than the older ones but I've seen it crash Sonar to desktop without warning too many times.
You should send feedback to Celemony - pitch correction algorithms are the best in Milky Way but stability is not.
As yoropal already suggested, use external editor to get stability, bigger screen and also keyboard shortcuts.
My workflow:
- Export: Drag & drop a clip from Sonar to Melodyne Editor.
Import:
- First save clip in Melodyne as new file name.
- Open import audio dialog in Sonar.
- Open filename list (by clicking the icon right to the filename text area). Melodyned clip is the first in the list.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 11:51:47
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Freddie H
*Have you AERO ON in Windows 7? Have it ON very important!
*What graphic card are you using? ATI or NVIDIA. I'm using NVIDIA.
Why do you recommend that AERO should be ON, Freddie? On my Windows 7 Studio 1747 Dell laptop (ATI graphics). I've turned AERO off, as I once read that would be better...
post edited by yummay - 2011/01/18 11:55:27
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 13:18:04
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Plugin version works fine for me in Xa1
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 13:56:16
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Freddie H
*Have you AERO ON in Windows 7? Have it ON very important!
*What graphic card are you using? ATI or NVIDIA. I'm using NVIDIA.
Why do you recommend that AERO should be ON, Freddie? On my Windows 7 Studio 1747 Dell laptop (ATI graphics). I've turned AERO off, as I once read that would be better...
Yes my friend! Its very important that you have it tuned ON AERO in VISTA and Windows 7. Its not just that it look very good, the whole system are based on AERO. Some direct API calls down in system core will fail if you turn AERO off. Also all graphic in Windows 7 and VISTA runs by the GPU on your graphic card. SONAR X1 use the GPU too. If turn AERO off you tell the system to use the CPU instead of the graphic card. Windows or SONAR X1 doen't work corecctly if you don't have AERO on. Also INTEL AVX technology that SONAR X1 are based on will fail too make direct API calls to the Windows core. So if you looking for trouble, crash, blue screen = turn OFF Aero and make all your XP tweaks you find on the INTERNET "tweaksites" and apply that on Windows 7 and VISTA. If you want a computer that work and have also greater performace then the "fake" tweaked one = Have AERO ON and don't make stupid TWEAKS if you don't know what you doing. To rap it up, there are NO TWEAKS on WINDOWS 7. Its a performance and workplatform right out the box! Regards Freddie
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/18 14:53:34
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Hi Guys. Appreciate your responses. Nothing so far from my post on Melodyne forum (except Freddie...thanks) and email to Celemony response was to make sure I have audio buffer set to 1024 = yes.
What I'm trying to asertain is, am I doing something wrong, or do I have a system issue or is the software unstable. I just did the Aero thing and it seems to make no difference, but thanks for the suggestion Freddie.
I also just did following....froze all midi tracks. Archived some other tracks. Bypassed all plugins from tracks and plugins. Used a song without EZ drummer. Turned auto save off.... idea being the regular saving was causing some problem. So,,, I know you have all been there with software... yes its fixed, yes its fixed, yes its fixed..............not its not !!!!
It waited until 3/4 through my audio blob edit then crashed.... and of course now I hadn't saved. I will keep up email with Celemony to see if its me, my system or its a product issue. If its my system, everything else is very stable and running with low CPU use and spare RAM.
BTW. Thanks for suggestions of using Editor not as plug in. Yes I can do that, but do I just get the audio that has transfered to Melodyne and not the track when editing. Its important I feel that you hear the audio you are tuning in context with the track.... or have I got this wrong. Again, thanks for the responses.
Chris in UK on a day with better weather.
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/19 03:50:23
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Hi Guys. Appreciate your responses. Nothing so far from my post on Melodyne forum (except Freddie...thanks) and email to Celemony response was to make sure I have audio buffer set to 1024 = yes.
What I'm trying to asertain is, am I doing something wrong, or do I have a system issue or is the software unstable. I just did the Aero thing and it seems to make no difference, but thanks for the suggestion Freddie.
I also just did following....froze all midi tracks. Archived some other tracks. Bypassed all plugins from tracks and plugins. Used a song without EZ drummer. Turned auto save off.... idea being the regular saving was causing some problem. So,,, I know you have all been there with software... yes its fixed, yes its fixed, yes its fixed..............not its not !!!!
It waited until 3/4 through my audio blob edit then crashed.... and of course now I hadn't saved. I will keep up email with Celemony to see if its me, my system or its a product issue. If its my system, everything else is very stable and running with low CPU use and spare RAM.
BTW. Thanks for suggestions of using Editor not as plug in. Yes I can do that, but do I just get the audio that has transfered to Melodyne and not the track when editing. Its important I feel that you hear the audio you are tuning in context with the track.... or have I got this wrong. Again, thanks for the responses.
Chris in UK on a day with better weather.
You are welcome my friend! I believe you all that say you have problems with Melodyne plugin, but I can in SONAR X1 or 8.5 load projects with Melodyne plugin active or non active on tracks. All work fine. The only problem I have sometimes is that it doesn't recognize, analyze audio sometimes correctly. By the way, this is just a wild card and a thought... I have disable the AUTO CHECK for UPDATE inside the Melodyne plugin if that has something to do with it? I use 32bit floating point file-format in both SONAR and 32bit-format inside Melodyne plugin. I use 48kHz only or higher. Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/01/19 14:28:17
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Freddie H
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I have no idea? I have some Questions that might couse the problems?
*Have you AERO ON in Windows 7? Have it ON very important!
What is AERO and where can I turn it on or off?
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/03/11 12:47:09
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Hi Guys. Appreciate your responses. Nothing so far from my post on Melodyne forum (except Freddie...thanks) and email to Celemony response was to make sure I have audio buffer set to 1024 = yes.
What I'm trying to asertain is, am I doing something wrong, or do I have a system issue or is the software unstable. I just did the Aero thing and it seems to make no difference, but thanks for the suggestion Freddie.
I also just did following....froze all midi tracks. Archived some other tracks. Bypassed all plugins from tracks and plugins. Used a song without EZ drummer. Turned auto save off.... idea being the regular saving was causing some problem. So,,, I know you have all been there with software... yes its fixed, yes its fixed, yes its fixed..............not its not !!!!
It waited until 3/4 through my audio blob edit then crashed.... and of course now I hadn't saved. I will keep up email with Celemony to see if its me, my system or its a product issue. If its my system, everything else is very stable and running with low CPU use and spare RAM.
BTW. Thanks for suggestions of using Editor not as plug in. Yes I can do that, but do I just get the audio that has transfered to Melodyne and not the track when editing. Its important I feel that you hear the audio you are tuning in context with the track.... or have I got this wrong. Again, thanks for the responses.
Chris in UK on a day with better weather.
Chris, I never used to have a problem with Melodyne Plugin. But I moved to Windows 7 64 bit, reinstalled Sonar 8.5 as 64 bit and found of course that my old Melodyne Plugin didn't work. So I sprung £112 to upgrade to Editor and now have a piece of cr*p that (mis)behaves exactly like you have. Yes, I've tried setting samples higher and sitll no change - I can use Editor for about one minute at a time and then it freaks Sonar.dpr out which means of course I have to cold boot. Celemony should occasionally get their head out of their beardy-lab rat asses and start paying attention to their customers. If they don't sort this out soon instead of saying 'try this' and 'try that' which we've all done, I'm asking for my money back. What a load of berks.  PS: Oh yes, how can you use it outside of Sonar without hearing the vocal in context? I don't understand that either...
post edited by Skyline_UK - 2011/03/11 12:50:17
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
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Re:Crashing with Melodyne - Help Appreciated
2011/03/11 23:19:35
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funny thing about Melodyne was that in Sonar 8.5 was always crashing, but in X1 it runs like a champ! and in Logic Pro 9 without any issues, smooth as silk.
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