session drummer is getting obnoxious (sp)

which version of SD ?

the lower octave is used to turn loops / on off..

you need to un-arm the SD midi track .. if thats what your getting at.. as your probably recording midi notes that are meant for the bass also..

is that what your doing ? or it's live bass? (tracked)

on youtube there is an overview of it also.. if you search for it..

I did the unload all pattens, and that seems to have worked.

What a strange behavior. I am not sure what the intent was behind making it work that way.

And yes, I am recording a live base track and session drummer 3 is the drum track.

This is a bug in SD, plain and simple. (I could be wrong, but I ran out of things to try)
When I switched to Sonar, I found it in Sonar7/SD2 and its still in current builds.
I had SD2 all alone in a project and the midi patterns trigger without having the trigger note present. 
Bear in mind I had a 4/4 single kick drum pattern that didn't touch the trigger notes.
Switching the midi mode didn't fix it, so I just learned to delete all midi patterns before beginning and programming.

-D

Bristol_Jonesey:

So, having a midi clip audition during the start of a song on its own is acceptable to print to a mixdown?


Thanks,

-D

I am using session drummer 3 and the behavior is this

1. add synth (SD) as simple instrument track.
2. Load the drum kit I like
3. Audition a loop (clicking A, B, D, C, etc...)
4. Unselect Whichever I last clicked to turn off (A, B,C,D, etc...)
5. Click the stop button
6. Now Alt 5 to get to POV on the drum
7. build my drums w/ the mouse (avoiding any of the loop notes at the bottom because that exacerbates the problem)
8. Now record an audio track and no matter where I start in the time line, it will play a measure of one of the loops. so I go back to the SD and hit the stop button and unselect a loop
9. then I can record fine. but if I stop recording and record again, the loop auditions again. over and over. 

the unload all helped but the behavior is annoying. I never use prefab loops so I would like them to never audition. I really only click those things to hear the drumset I am selecting.

DJSur


Bristol_Jonesey:

So, having a midi clip audition during the start of a song on its own is acceptable to print to a mixdown?


Thanks,

-D

No, you just have to make sure you unload every pattern in SD2 before mixdown.

Never knew that is what that did.
Thanks for the tips.

I've had this issue before. did something while editing the piano roll. everytime i would hit play, it would start a loop and what i had right over it. thank goodness for microscopic zooming and cut and paste. '

luckily all my patterns are on my drum machine. i write them there, then hit record once and try not to ever touch it again.

Thanks for the info guys. For my tastes, if its by design, I feel its poor design.

Thanks,

-D

Hi RB,

I'm the total opposite it seems. I do find it odd even after leaning from you guys its correct purpose. All this time and I didn't know it, lol.

Interesting! Thanks, to you and Bristol for the lesson.

-D 

BFD uses exactly the same method for auditioning "grooves", as they call them.

If you hit play on the transport, it will trigger the groove as well as whatever I've dragged into Sonar. Cacophony rules!!!!

It's not perfect, but it's also difficult to know how else this can be implemented.

You want to be able to hear the loops you're thinking of putting into your composition, and you also want to hear how they sound in context, with the rest of your song tracks playing.

What I do in BFD is to find the "suite" of grooves that interest me, then drag each one onto a blank MIDI track in Sonar then delete them all from BFD's groove window.

There could be as many as 20 different clips them which can be copied to the real drum midi and tweaked further until I like what I hear. I also name them main 1, main 2, fill 1, fill 2 etc.

Ignore.

rbowser

DJSur


Hi RB,

I'm the total opposite it seems. I do find it odd even after leaning from you guys its correct purpose. All this time and I didn't know it, lol.

Interesting! Thanks, to you and Bristol for the lesson.

-D 

Well I don't mean to be glib.  I do understand how the way the browser/audition thing could be confusing.  I just remember when I first was trying out SD that I somehow got a hook on how it was working, and then I didn't think about it.  But we all interact differently with things we work with.  Just get a picture of the GUI of SD as an Audition Only interface - and it'll make sense.

RB

I hear you RB, I do. Even after understanding what it does, I still think it's a poor design to have to unload midi clips so they don't audition. For my tastes, it's just doesn't make any sense to have a temporary container to listen to something I must dispose of - whether I use it or not. 
If I could, I would strip out the audition functionality altogether because I don't have a need for it.


Thanks,


-D

dissfigured


I would have implemented it so if you drag it in, it plays and if you don't like it you delete it.
want to listen to a loop, click A, B, C, whatever and hit play in SD.

Actually, you can do that.  Look at Uncleswede's reply, #23.  You can use the browser in Sonar to click on MIDI patterns instead of auditioning them in the drum interface.

But you don't need to drag them from the browser.  Double click them, and they appear in the SD track.  And then, as you've said, dissfigured, you can just delete or CTRL+Z to undo that if you don't want the clip. - It's all the same number of clicks really, but you can work that way instead of loading the clips directly in the SD GUI.

I will audition 20 clips before I find something I want to start working with, so using the built-in audition feature works better for me.  But I wanted to come back to point out that the way you're wanting to work does work.

HOWEVER this way of using the browser doesn't work as well in X1 - I  thought I'd point that out in case people on this thread also have X1.  When you audition a clip through the browser, SD keeps playing the loop and won't stop.  It works fine in 8.5 though.

RB