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Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
After two days of hard testing, this is definitive, with two computers runing windows 7 and I try several PCI and PCIexpress Firewire chipsets, TI and VIA. Liquid mix and UAD2 steal PCI bandwidth each other in Sonar X1 and also Sonar 8.5!!!!!! I try it in Nuendo and it performs better, but not without problems. When you reopen project with some Liquid mix and some UAD2 plugins, Liquid mix jusst doesnt start to play, you must reconnect it and sound card too. After this procedure it works. It seems that Sonar X1 has poor VST drivers!!!!
I tried every possible setting in every control panel {UAD, Focusrite sonar} so please dont tell me things like " try to setup priority to background services in Windows". I have max tuned Win7 after every tweak that I found on the net!
This is annoying, I hope UA, Focusrite and Cakewalk can start cooperating and solve this horrible issue!!!
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/22 15:43:37
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/22 16:48:14
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I'd expect problems in any DAW with that setup. I've read lots of posts from people having trouble with only-UAD2 & only-Liquidmix. I wouldn't dare pair them together. Try ditching one or the other and see if your performance improves.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/22 16:57:23
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With UAD alone or LM alone, it works like charm. Problem is when they run together. But!!! In Win XP there wasnt such problems, so I think its all about drivers. Dont know who has that bad drivers - UA, Focusrite, Cakewalk or Microsoft.....
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/22 17:01:34
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Since Cakewalk doesn't provide the drivers in this situation nor Microsoft, look elsewhere. If you are using version 5.8 for the UAD, that has some issues. Might want to roll back to 5.7 and see if that works.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/22 17:09:54
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I think that Microsoft can fix FW speeds like in Win XP, and Cakewalk can also make better performing VST coding. Nuendo performing without glitch in this scenario, so how is this possible? I really like Sonar and dont want to jump to Nuendo platform really. So I hope Cakewalk may do something. And of course Focusrite too. The drivers for LM are bad in my opinion... I cant downgrade to 5.7 with UAD, because I am using A800 plug....
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/22 19:10:45
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BluerecordingStudios
I cant downgrade to 5.7 with UAD, because I am using A800 plug....
And I can't blame you. Awesome plugin.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/27 08:38:43
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Anybody from Cakewalk interested in solving this???? Nuendo working flawlessly in this configuration, why Sonar X1 can't???
I think our money just working for you, so why your product doesn't work for us?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/27 16:30:19
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At first you say it works in Nuendo with some problems, and then you say it works flawlessly in Nuendo. I'm not sure which is true, but I do know that Focusrite has discontinued LiquidMix, and stopped development of the drivers. They recommended any users that want to run it in Win7 64bit to roll back the driver to an earlier version for which they had Vista 64bit support. I just don't see how that can be Cakewalk's issue. If Focusrite has lost interest in it, that is their, and their customer's, problem.
Of course I happen to be one of those customers also. I like the device, but to be honest, ever since I got a UAD-2 Quad, I haven't used it much. Mostly now I keep it for unfinished projects that have LiquidMix processing on them. For those I open them in one of my backup DAWs that still runs WinXP 32it (Sonar 8.5.3), and either remove the processing, or bounce the tracks that have such processing, them import them into my Win7 DAW. Usually I take off the processing because I have better sounding plugins now with the UAD-2, unless it just sounds right and I don't want to change it.
I haven't even installed the LiquidMix into the Win7 DAW, because my builder, ADK, said do so at your own risk. They had a hard enough time getting my TC Powercore PCI mkII, and UAD-2 Quad going in a dual boot system, and didn't want to throw a wrench into the works. My original goal was to use all these dongle plugins and take the load off the CPU, and never have to freeze a track again. The best laid plans... If only I had paid the psychic network to tell me about the future of external plugin processing, and then I would never have invested in products that are now discontinued. Yes, Powercore too, gone by the wayside. At least TC Electronic wrote solid drivers for it in Win7 64bit, so I can use it for a while longer, but the temptation is to put the stuff up on Ebay and try to get some value for it before it goes so low as to make the effort useless.
Sorry to ramble. Don't blame Cakewalk for Focusrite's decisions. Get those LiquidMix effects off your projects and dump the box. There are several excellent Native VST options, along with the UAD plugins that will make you soon forget the excitement you first had with LiquidMix. Change and adapt or die as the saying goes.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/27 17:13:01
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Well all I can say is WIn XP SP3 32 bit here running X1a
LIQUID MIX on one firewire card TI chipset
UAD2 in PCIE slot
Focusrite Saffire 56 on 2nd FW card TI chipset
Tascam FW1082 in third FW card
POCO element in PCI slot
using them ALL with plug ins enabled on all the emulation, naturally the Tascam is in control surface only since the Saffire is handling audio I/O ASIO.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/27 20:23:41
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jungfreind. if you dont use your liquid mix are you interested in selling?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/27 23:38:51
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Yes, I would sell it. It's LiquidMix 32 with the expansion card installed. I have all the original packaging, manual, driver CD and firewire cable. PM me if you want to discuss a price.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/30 14:53:52
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jungriend: I forgot to mention, that I must did complete reinstall of UAD card. After this procedure, Nuendo performing flawlessly. And I found that problem is in comunication between LM and Sonar, even without UAD plugins. For now, I trying to solve this with Focusrite support. But it really points to failure in Sonar software. Dont know if we can fix this.... Sonar has strange buffer preloading procedure for VSTs, Nuendo dont (it doesnt matter how I set up buffer in Sonar preferences). I think VST part of Sonar was always problem (look at Waves display problems, Waves dont even support Sonar!!! Why?) As I said, I stay with this platform, because workflow is best for me.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/01/30 16:23:00
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I do feel your pain, and I don't have any solution for you other than the one I offered earlier. I look at it this way; devices come and go. Remember the Waves Netshell Accelerator? Is there any reason for a software developer to continue writing code that will make this device work? If it still works, then you are lucky, but even the manufacturer doesn't support it, so why should any DAW maker care about how it works in their software? I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.
For my purposes, I would much rather have Sonar patch up the problematic functions in X1, and keep sight of integration with current devices, such as Native Instruments Maschine and Kore II, UAD-2, and a good variety of audio interfaces and midi controllers, than to push them to fix my particular situation. I just made a bad wager and lost. I'll recoup my losses as well as possible and move on. I suggest you do the same.
One other option is to revert to Sonar 8.5.3 and WinXP 32bit, where all the devices are compatible. I won't go that route because Sonar x64 + Win7 x64 really works well.
Paul
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/02/06 13:31:41
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Anybody from Cakewalk interested in this problem?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/04/27 11:17:07
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Hey Blue Quick question are you using the LIquid mix through a dedicated Firewire card? Just a thought. Oh and another thing have they finally fixed the Firewire downgrade in windows that artificially limits the bandwidth of firewire? I ask because you have to turn it back to legacy drivers and the legacy drivers were set to 100 instead of the maximum 400 as default. There is a fix for this in Xp, but I am not sure it still applies, its worth a go though. Its basically a registry change, see this thread http://forum.cakewalk.com...7083&high=firewire I am about to embark on installing everything on my new PC and have just got a UAD card as well as the LM, given that Focusrite have dropped development of it I am thinking that I may not bother with the LM anymore either and just go trhough and pritn all tracks so i have them archived and then whack it on Ebay, sad though because some of the stuff on there was absolutely fantastic.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/04/27 12:12:23
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BluerecordingStudios
Anybody from Cakewalk interested in this problem?
This is like bringing your Boeing 747 to your local BMW dealer and demanding them to fix it. I don't understand how Cakewalk improving their 'VST coding' will change your hardware bandwidth issues. There is no such thing as VST Drivers.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/04/27 12:23:41
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BluerecordingStudios
Anybody from Cakewalk interested in this problem?
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/ts.aspx here is not the place to ask for TS officially .. besides as stated already if the 3rd party thing has stopped being developed / dropped by a 3rd party , that can be problematic on it's own.. if you were having issues with it for a while? why wait till now.. or did you buy it LM as an end of line product ? I've had to stop using things, hardware wise a few times.. in that case it was due to drivers not being updated, even small windows updates can chuck a spanner in the works. I can't blame cakewalk for that.. in my case I blame the hardware makers.. as I use a number of sequencers that all don't work with said hardware. It could even be issues with your hardware setup that are having a knock on effect e.g I've had issues with things IRQ sharing in the past. with any of this stuff, sequencers are in the most generic and only work with what they are given to work with. Some makers have "quirks" to their stuff also.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/04/27 12:49:30
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This is like bringing your Boeing 747 to your local BMW dealer and demanding them to fix it.
Brilliant
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/04/27 13:01:06
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This is like bringing your Boeing 747 to your local BMW dealer and demanding them to fix it.
Brilliant
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Re:Sonar X1 - Win 7 x32 - UAD2 - Liquid mix = disaster!!!
2011/04/27 17:10:21
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This is not a sonar problem dude ....
Just for your input : PCI : pararllel bus type , bandwitch divided by the number of device connected ....on pci bus (not slot only)
PCIE : serial , bandwitch garanted but aolternatively ....
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