Christian Rock: Joshua Barnes, Moment By Moment with Vocals

Well, I need some ears. Mix yes, as well as flow. If you're a song writer and you'd like to comment on flow, structure and delivery, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

http://joshuabarnes.bandcamp.com/track/moment-by-moment-w-vox

James,

I'll pm you the back story, perhaps you can help me figure out where I went awry. 

I agree about the mid's not being there. I heard the same thing, but in my mind I couln't think what or how to change to fill it in. Is that bumping the bass at 800? Which I did in the version you listened to, or do I bump the guitars? Bring the highs and lows down? Final EQ? What do you think would be the best way to attack that problem?

Not sure if I was a fan of the intro, but liked the verse melody fine.  

Almost felt like you could widen the sound stage just a bit.   And yes, I might turn up the kick a bit more.

Finally, there was some rough transitions, for example, chorus to verse.

All that being said, I still thought was a pretty decent track.

My two cents

Trucker, I really appreciate that advice and I'm looking forward to more input from you. yo yo is right, there's some missing freq, but it didn't seem to be there [missing] before the vox...so I'm wondering if there is too much "room" noise in the vocal track and that's what's creating the space?

Can anyone comment on that?

Got a Creed vibe, very good IMO. I liked the way it transitions from verse to chorus, and vice versa. I couldn't figure out what it's about though? Who is this Jesus you sing of?

If you're wondering about how to get your Freq on? You can use an analyzer? I use Roger Nichols. You can look at the freak on each track, and overall? It's a good tool to help with separation.

Ok
I have listened to this several times now and let it roll around my noggin for a few days...

Here are my thoughts concerning this tunes structure.....

1. I think you have two intro's
2. I think you have two song's

I think your first into up to 0:17 and chorus can be one tune and your second intro from 0:18 on and verse could be the second tune

This may work a little bit better....It means you will have to rewrite your chorus and melody for it but it may fit better........

just a thought because to me that is what feels right.....

my 2 cents.........but I still like your concept and content  and work.....it's good....

Clifford

Truckermusic


Ok
I have listened to this several times now and let it roll around my noggin for a few days...

Here are my thoughts concerning this tunes structure.....

1. I think you have two intro's
2. I think you have two song's

I think your first into up to 0:17 and chorus can be one tune and your second intro from 0:18 on and verse could be the second tune

This may work a little bit better....It means you will have to rewrite your chorus and melody for it but it may fit better........

just a thought because to me that is what feels right.....

my 2 cents.........but I still like your concept and content  and work.....it's good....

Clifford

Cliff,


I have to laugh. You accurately picked out a fact that no one would know. During the writing process, I got SOOO excited about the potential that I ended up taking some of my best licks and riffs and add them to this song, with the thought that if a song with one good riff is good, then 3 makes it great...right?


So, it's funny that you picked that out.


Thank you very much for your thoughtful feedback and detailed response.

 
   Excellent Guitars, and  lively sound, not that I am any kind of expert.

Heck, I'm taking a break from the guitar for a while right now. Not the forums.

There is no such thing as a review, only a continuation of the sound. "And no I'm Not HIGH!".

It needs a bit more treble, and fast and fat content doesn't always mean good. Just my opinion.

Keep on Rockin' Dude!!!

Bobby

ruralrocker2010

Truckermusic


Ok
I have listened to this several times now and let it roll around my noggin for a few days...

Here are my thoughts concerning this tunes structure.....

1. I think you have two intro's
2. I think you have two song's

I think your first into up to 0:17 and chorus can be one tune and your second intro from 0:18 on and verse could be the second tune

This may work a little bit better....It means you will have to rewrite your chorus and melody for it but it may fit better........

just a thought because to me that is what feels right.....

my 2 cents.........but I still like your concept and content  and work.....it's good....

Clifford

Cliff,


I have to laugh. You accurately picked out a fact that no one would know. During the writing process, I got SOOO excited about the potential that I ended up taking some of my best licks and riffs and add them to this song, with the thought that if a song with one good riff is good, then 3 makes it great...right?


So, it's funny that you picked that out.


Thank you very much for your thoughtful feedback and detailed response.

Joshua
 
You are welcome....
I only pointed out what I heard.....and like I said sometimes it takes me a few days to figure stuff out.....but that's just what I heard.... I wanted you to know that I liked your work ...it's just that I think you have two tunes going on here at the same time.......I gues we could think of it kind of like Polytonality....but in this instance....poly tune ality.........
 
And i can certinly understand the excitement factor.....you have good reason to be......but that is what is so hard about being composer, musician, producer and studio tech.....sometimes it's just hard to seperate and that is what is great about this forum!
 
Peace Brother
I will be listening for the next version
 
Clifford

Josh, I just love your voice and vocal style man... you may need just a little more discipline (like I should talk), but you  definitely got the goods there.

I'm not going to comment on the song right now, because I'd need to listen intently several more time before attempting a comment on writing (and I'm working right now).  I will say that, FWIW, I liked the overall feel alot.

With apologies for only a peripheral listen, mix wise, it sounded like it could use some more oomph in the mid range. 
 
Always liking what I hear from you.

philz


Josh, I just love your voice and vocal style man... you may need just a little more discipline (like I should talk), but you  definitely got the goods there.

I'm not going to comment on the song right now, because I'd need to listen intently several more time before attempting a comment on writing (and I'm working right now).  I will say that, FWIW, I liked the overall feel alot.

With apologies for only a peripheral listen, mix wise, it sounded like it could use some more oomph in the mid range. 
 
Always liking what I hear from you.

I think you're totally right on both accounts. I definitely could benefit from a vocal coach. I'm self-taught and there are obvious troubles with that. I would be nice to be under the tuteledge of a vocal teacher who could help me learn where I need to focus.


Secondly, mid-range definitely seems to be lacking. I didn't hear that when the track didn't have a vocal track either. No one else did either. So, I'm wondering if it's too much space in the vocal take. I don't have a vocal booth, I only have my bedroom and it's FAIRLY quiet, but it's got some bounce...anyways. I saw a vocal booth that BAPU built, that I think I'm going to replicate and see how that changes me ability to shape a good sound.

ruralrocker2010


DLOGAN

KANSAS CITY!? That's where I used to live for the last 8 years....I lived in Overland Park. 

I'm over on the Missouri side but not too far from the OP! Found out recently that I live just a couple of miles from Warren Willingham's ("evandianpug")'s relatives. Small world!

Great singing performance!  One of the better ones so far.  It fits the message you are trying to cover very well.  Great guitar playing and excellent production.  Great song structure, long enough for someone to sink their teeth into it.  The "hey, hey" at 1:20 and 3:03 seems out of place.  Those are hip-hop elements and you have a banging rock song here.

Many changes here.  I like them.  I'll have to get back to listen to the lyrics.  Phone's ringin'.  I really like the changes in your song here,  RockerDude.