Sonar x1 PE, Echo Layla 3G PCI, serious latency and dropout problems!

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Re:Sonar x1 PE, Echo Layla 3G PCI, serious latency and dropout problems! 2011/02/05 20:33:33 (permalink)
One last suggestion.  Here's a link to someone who got good performance with Vista 64 and ASIO4all driver.

http://mtippach.proboards...=print&thread=1612


I normally only recommend asio4all for laptops, but it's certainly worth a try here.

Good luck!




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Re:Sonar x1 PE, Echo Layla 3G PCI, serious latency and dropout problems! 2011/02/05 21:30:03 (permalink)
Well JonD I do appreciate you and everyone else poking in and giving it a shot.  At this point either way it's going to cost me money.  Either I buy the full version of Studio One Pro and use it for MIDI and then migrate to Sonar for mixing, or I buy another sound board, unless Echo or Cakewalk works out some kind of miracle patch.  But on the bright side I'm a bit more knowledgeable than when I started out, haha!

Anyway, anyone can still drop ideas in if they have any, I'm gonna wait for the reply from the Echo rep before I make a definitive decision. 

Thanks again!  Wish me luck :)



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Re:Sonar x1 PE, Echo Layla 3G PCI, serious latency and dropout problems! 2011/02/05 21:51:01 (permalink)
Well...owning a 3G myself and looking at all the fun threads, I think I have my decision about X1  ;-(

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Re:Sonar x1 PE, Echo Layla 3G PCI, serious latency and dropout problems! 2011/02/06 00:36:18 (permalink)
@JonD
Thanks for the suggestion.    I tried it, and it did make a "slight" improvement.  At 512 samples it didn't cut out, but there was so much scratching, poping and clicking that it was unbearable.  Still had to raise it to around 900 something to get that to subside with a RTL of about 28ms.  Sigh, it was a good idea, sucks it didn't work.  :(

@mixmkr
Honestly dude, I was having slight dropout issues with Sonar 8.5 as well, it just got progressively worse after installing x1.  I'm back to about where I was because I wiped out all versions of Sonar and put 8 back on (just 8 with the 8.3 patch update), and I'm still in the weeds, just shorter ones now, haha

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Re:Sonar x1 PE, Echo Layla 3G PCI, serious latency and dropout problems! 2011/09/29 12:52:02 (permalink)
Hi talonslash,
 
I have found your posts regarding the dropouts and L3G. I have a similar problem with my old Layla24 that still lives in my home studio. I don't have any poping, scratching, or clicking. Just occasionally droput invades my work flow.
 
I was wondering if you have a solution to properly configure your L3G with Sonar X1 PE. Your thread kind of stopped at some point and I am not sure if you have found the solution to this problem, or simply gave up on this whole nightmare.
 
Just wanted to let you know something that might also be interesting. Initially I have run Sonar X1 PE (updated to1c update version) with the Edirol UA-101 USB audio interface. This is the Roland product. Cakewalk's (now part of the Roland empire) support info regarding compatible sound cards lists this particular one as 100% compatible. You should not have any problems running it with Sonar X1 what so ever. That's according to Cakewalk support website. In reality I started experiencing some of those poping, scratching, clicking, and dropouts stuff. That's why I have decided to try to switch this audio interface with ....... my old and faithful Echo Audio Layla24 sound card.
 
In the past I was running Layla24 with Sonar 5 PE and Win XP. For probably last 5-6 years I didn't have even one single pop, cracking, or dropout. Total perfect integration. In other words a perfect marriage between Sonar 5 and Layla24 (within the Windows XP environment)
 
Having that experience from the past I have decided to remove the Edirol UA-101 USB audio interface from Sonar X1 and replace it with Layla24. After the Layla24 PCI card installation, and the installation of the 8.5 version of Layla24 driver (from Echo Audio website), I have decided to run it using ASIO driver (recommended by Echo Audio). The original latency was set up for around 11ms. At this point I was not messing with Sonar's Audio Preferences. I have noticed though that the Playback and Record buffer size was set up for 256 from the get go.
 
Anyway, I started a new song project. Installed Omnisphere soft synth (pretty intensive application for the processor). Set up few MIDI tracks. Everything worked flowlessly. No glitches, pops, crackles, and stuff. Just smooth and perfect. Then I have decided to import a wave file to place it in a newly created Audio Track of my project. Inserted the audio file. Rewinding to the beginning of the project. Pushing Start button in the transport module and ................... suddenly (before anything else happened) a DROPOUT message appears in front of my eyes. I said, "oh, no.............!!!!!!!!!!!!".
 
To make the story short (er) I am experiencing occasional dropouts at random times. Sometimes I can work for 2 hours on the project and nothing happens, and then suddenly the dropout invates my space. My PC processor (intel i7) works at it's 2-3% capacity and there is plenty of 12GB RAM to support it. This is within Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
 
After seeing your extended postings I thought I would drop you a message and see if you have found a solution to this very similar problem that I am experiencing. The Echo Audio website says that they do not guarantee that their older product (like Layla24) would work perfectly with Win 7 and Sonar, but never the less they have encouraged people to try it, and therefore have developed the Win 7 drivers for their older gear.
 
Sorry for the long message, but I wanted to give you my perspective on the issue. I feel that something must be problematic within the Sonar's code, for how would you explain the fact the Cakewalk's endorsed Edirol UA-101 audio interface (which supposed to work flowlessly with Sonar X1) has similar problems like Layla24. I personally believe that there is nothing wrong with L3G or Layla24. If they work perfectly with a different recording software application then there is nothing wrong with the hardware in general. It must be a Sonar X1 issue. But what is it???????????????????? Tough question........
 
Have a good one,
 
Best,
 
Paul
post edited by pbajon - 2011/09/29 12:54:33
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