Rampdog
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Problem with midi keyboards and signal
If I need to put this in a different forum let me know... sorry if it shouldn't be here.... I’m having a problem with my midi keyboards… When I open a project and insert a synth the small icon with the two lights appears in my systray. (as it should) The left light stays on and I can see a partial signal being sent to that track even though I'm not touching a key…(as it shouldn’t) This causes half of my track pane to be shaded as I record… I also notice that when I use my sustain pedal it doesn’t always sustain…(I have tried 3 different pedals so I know it’s not the pedal) Now my two midi keyboards are connected directly to USB ports on my computer, (not a hub)…And I’ll add I have bought new chords, used old chords, swapped out chords thinking that maybe it was a bad usb cable… I have tried switching the chords to different ports but I still have the problem… My Casio electric piano is connected to my interface via a midi cable and I have no problems with a partial signal being sent from that, (although I do have problems with sustain at times) I usually just leave the sustain pedal down rather than use it the way it’s supposed to be used… I never really did any type of instrument setup in my Sonar other than plug them in and my computer recognized them as did my software… Did I miss a setup dealio? Is there a ghost in the machine? My computer is fairly new and dedicated strictly to record… I have a quad in it and plenty of RAM and HD space… Any ideas?
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Beagle
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/24 20:16:09
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let me try to be clear on your problem. is your only problem with the sustain pedal or with some data being sent to the computer always, regardless of using 2 different keyboards? if that's the case, then it sounds like you might have a MIDI feedback loop. do you have the inputs and outputs plugged correctly into the keyboard? or are you using USB to USB only? and what do you mean a "partial signal?" how do you know it's a "partial signal" and what is it part of?
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Rampdog
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/24 20:32:31
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Evenin' Beegs.... Haven't had to lean your way in awhile... Hope you're well... The problem is data being sent to the computer always... You can see it in the icon with the left light stuck on... and I'm not touching any keys... It's not recording anything although once I arm the track it will record whatever synth I've chosen... I can only call it a partial signal as I don't know how else to explain it except 'only' the left lite is stuck on and if I look at the meter on the track of whatever synth I inserted I can see it reading a fluctuating signal. Usually when you hit the keys on the midi controller both lites come on with each hit of the keys...It's got to be part of the synth program.. In my Korg midi controllers they are usb cabled to my usb ports on my puter.... With my Casio piano I am using one midi cable from the 'out' on the keyboard to the 'in' on my interface... Is there an 'Instrument setup' I need to do? Like I said earlier I just plugged them in and made sure I assigned my ins and outs to whichever synth I had chosen... and they worked but I know they're not working correctly... Thanks Beegs
post edited by Rampdog - 2011/01/24 20:35:12
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Beagle
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/24 22:12:26
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hey, billy. doing well - but busy! With my Casio piano I am using one midi cable from the 'out' on the keyboard to the 'in' on my interface... try swapping those. this is what it sounds like is the problem - MIDI loop feedback from having the ports plugged in incorrectly. you might even have it plugged in the way it's labelled, but try it the other way in case the labels are incorrect. if that doesn't work, download and install midiox (google it) and see what messages are beinng sent.
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Beagle
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/24 22:13:38
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clarification - swap the ins and outs of the midi cable on ONE side - either the keyboard side or the interface side - not both.
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Rampdog
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/24 22:23:48
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Beagle clarification - swap the ins and outs of the midi cable on ONE side - either the keyboard side or the interface side - not both. I'll give that a go...but I don't think that has anything to do with the usb connected keyboards... Those are the ones that are emiting the partial signal... I'm not having that problem with my Casio that is connected to the interface via midi cables... DaveNy suggested it might be my mod wheel not zero'd out... Right now it seems to be working fine... I never know when it's going to whack out on me... That's why I was wondering if there is some type of instrument setup I'm missing...
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/25 08:00:18
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If there's a "partial signal" coming from the keyboard..... what happens when you arm the midi track and start the recording while NOT pressing any keys? What I'm asking is ...do you see anything being recorded into the track during that record session? Seems to me if midi data is coming out of the keyboard, it would be recorded and become visible in the track. I see the notes as horizontal lines in the track and the expression pedal data is recorded and shown on the bottom of the track...... are you seeing anything in that track after you stop the recording?
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Rampdog
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/25 08:13:22
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Guitarhacker If there's a "partial signal" coming from the keyboard..... what happens when you arm the midi track and start the recording while NOT pressing any keys? What I'm asking is ...do you see anything being recorded into the track during that record session? Seems to me if midi data is coming out of the keyboard, it would be recorded and become visible in the track. I see the notes as horizontal lines in the track and the expression pedal data is recorded and shown on the bottom of the track...... are you seeing anything in that track after you stop the recording? There won't be any midi notes but the bottom half of the track will be shaded. Occasionally there will be a verticle line running up the track... And the VU meter has activity going on in it... All this without me touching a key... I just arm the track and hit 'record'... But when I play it back there won't be any sound ... just the shading and an occasional verticle line...
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Beagle
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/25 09:16:45
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have you tried swapping the cables yet? another thing to try for troubleshooting is to disconnect the keyboards one at a time. especially the one with MIDI cables. this really sounds like a midi feedback loop;
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Re:Problem with midi keyboards and signal
2011/01/26 11:49:58
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Also, there were some keyboards that would constantly send a sys-ex or something like it for the purposes of keeping the interface alive. It's possible that one of your keyboards is doing that. One way to check if and what is being sent is to record the events that occur and then look at them in the event list.
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