In need of help - sound issues

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2011/01/27 08:41:35 (permalink)

In need of help - sound issues

Hello.
 
First post here. Anyway, I've been using Home Studio 7 XL for a short while now but I've had the same problem since the start. I always seem to have a unwanted 'hiss' or 'crackle' when using low-end notes. Especially for any kind of bass sound.
 
Just sounds nasty y'know? Don't know what to do without messing up all my settings. I'm using a Lexicon USB audio interface. However, I'm not sure I've set it up right. Assuming that could be the issue. The problem might be something totally different though.
 
I have to say, I am a novice & still learning alot about all this stuff so I'm not great with technical words but any help would be really great...
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    chuckebaby
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 09:41:42 (permalink)
    im hoping youll get a few more posts from some more educated people here on this issue.but my first guess would be your buffers.
    try this go int o audio/preferences under playback/record you should see a  buffer.try increasing this you may have to play with it to get it right as this will also effect latency.it may also be the wave profile set you up with in a matter where your not using the right soundcard if its set to mmc and you have a better soundcard it may not recognize it.play with your settings..but right them down so you can keep track as to where they were.i not an expert in this area..i know beagle is the guy who you want to talk to.look for his profile and send him a message..hes a great guy that has been helping people for decades..lol...serious..hes the man.
    good luck
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 10:15:11 (permalink)
    thanks for the props, chucke!

    tones - the lexicon should be a good soundcard to use.  let's check your settings - you might be on WDM driver mode which is the default.  let's try ASIO - lexicon should have good native ASIO drivers.

    OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVER MODE = ASIO
    click APPLY

    try some recordings and see what happens and the report back if you're still having problems.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 10:16:52 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies.

    I'm fairly sure it's a soundcard issue but then again, it might not be. I have my Lexicon audio interace going into the pc & my midi keyboard going in there too.

    Am I doing something wrong? I can get sound when my speakers are selected but as soon as I click on Asio, it can crash the program or when I click 'usb device' as an output...nothing happens. Although you can clearly see my playing the notes as the levels are going up.

    Urgh, it's most likely a really simple problem too! Yet, there's no way I can put up with that horrible sound anymore. Every bass has such a tinny sound. Not good.
    post edited by tones120 - 2011/01/27 10:19:54
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 10:20:29 (permalink)
    Are your woofers blown?
    Welcome to the forum.
    Noise related to audio settings usually affects all the audio, not just lower frequencies, so it could be the speakers. Or a bad connection to the subwoofer, if you have one.
    Play your song and mute each track until just the bass track remains unmuted. Try to zero in on the track and frequencies that are distorting. Insert an equalizer in the noisy track's FX bin and see if you can EQ out the noise.
    Do you have the latest drivers for the Lexicon? What Driver Mode are you using? What's your operating system?

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 10:34:28 (permalink)
    Don't think the woofers are blown. I only got it recently (not that it helps) & it works brilliant with music outside of Sonar.

    I've tried using EQ to sort it out but no luck. Again, I'm fairly sure it's not using the Lexicon properly.

    As I said, I click on ASIO & nothing happens. It chose MME as the default.
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 10:39:59 (permalink)
    MME is the oldest, slowest and least efficient audio driver. Did you try WDM?
    What drivers are highlighted in Options>Audio>Drivers? Is the stock sound card listed and highlighted?
    What's your operating system?

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 10:48:34 (permalink)
    Also, what are you using to make those bass sounds? The keyboard's audio? A software synthesizer?
    Check the volumne level of each offending track to see if any are redlining. Check their buses and the Lexicon's output level.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 11:14:45 (permalink)
    I changed it to WDM/KS just to see.
     
    In the drives section now, it states: USB audio device in both in input & output. Plus, realtek. I try selecting ASIO but it won't have any of it. Hmm.
     
    I make the bass sounds through a soft synth like Dimension LE via my MIDI keyboard.
    Also, it then comes up with a box saying the following Drivers do not support the current audi format etc. Which is highlights the USB Audio Device. 
     
    Edit: Hold on, I think I got it. I changed it to WASAP & changed something else. Not 100% sure yet. Sounds better but need to try it on a few older tracks.
     
    Thanks for the help so far. I'll report back...
    post edited by tones120 - 2011/01/27 11:27:55
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 11:27:21 (permalink)
    the lexicon might not have asio drivers, I thought that it did. 

    did you install drivers for the lexicon or did you just let windows install what it wanted to?  if you didn't install drivers for the lexicon and if you didn't update the drivers from the lexicon website, then do that.  THEN try ASIO.

    if you did that, then report back.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 11:56:15 (permalink)
    Well, it seems to have helped. The bass notes sound ALOT better. In fact, most of my tunes now sound better & clearer.

    However, I have now have a few 'clipping' issues & it can 'drop out' sometimes. Like all of a sudden there will be this really piercing sound come out of nowhere. I'll keep on tweaking though. Any tips would be welcomed.

    Good job I registered, now I can ask all kinds of stupid questions! Only kidding...sort of
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 12:00:47 (permalink)
    what seems to have helped?  installing the latest drivers from lexicon?

    if that's what you mean, and you're having popping and dropout, then I also need to know if you stayed with WDM driver mode or ASIO.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 12:24:09 (permalink)
    I changed it to WASAP?

    Then chose the correct input/output again & it seems to have done the trick. Low-end notes & basses sound deep/rich as I always wanted.

    Yeah, the popping/dropout issue needs sorting. Doesn't happen all the time, just certain tracks.

    I haven't tried ASIO again, just stayed in WASAP or whatever it's called.
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 13:00:06 (permalink)
    did you download the drivers from lexicons website?

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 14:27:47 (permalink)
    Not yet.

    I've now re-installed the Lexicon software & it would seem I can use ASIO. It sounds muhc better. However, I just exited and then re-entered Sonar & it keeps crashing now. Worked fine a few minutes ago!
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 16:01:54 (permalink)
    well.  I"m not sure what advice I can give you that will work if you won't use the advice I gave you already.

    when you decide to try downloading the latest software drivers from lexicon let me know if it doesn't work after that.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/27 19:28:37 (permalink)
    this happen to me too with the asio driver..im not sure why it does that..im back to using mmc..with no problems..but for some reason i was crashing with the asio driver..you might need to bring up the settings on the asio driver and turn off the dreaded ms synth or what ever it is..it was crashing on me i think because i didnt have my asio settings right..though i down loded my asio at asio4all which isnt a real asio.
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/28 13:08:44 (permalink)
    Well, I downloaded.

    I also made sure my default speakers wern't being used by Sonar.

    Still seems to get some serious loud 'clipping' issues. Thing is, it's totally random. It was fine earlier but now it's doing it all the time. How does that work?

    I noticed that everything in my audio options are now ASIO. Sounds great otherwise.

    I noticed you can't change the latency slider bar? Sorry for my naivety again.
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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/28 13:34:41 (permalink)
    ok - good.  but we have to try one thing at a time.

    the latency slider doesn't work in ASIO mode, you change the latency by clicking on the ASIO button and that will bring up your lexicon software.  then look for the BUFFERS in the lexicon software and that's where you change it.

    at this point, increase it to the maximum it has avaialble (I don't know if it lists it as "low, medium, normal and high" or if it gives you numbers like 64, 128, 512, 1024) but either way, choose the highest one available. and then apply it.

    then see if you still have the popping issues.  if so, we'll look at the next step.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/30 08:52:17 (permalink)
    Ok, so I found the latency slider. Tried it in all posistions.

    Seems it doesn't like the highest either. I ended up putting just below the highest setting. Seems to work pretty well now. Every now and again I'll get a little clip sound but it's nothing compared to what it used to be.

    Guess I'll go with it for now.

    I do have another question to do with Sonar HS 7XL. Can I ask it here or is it worth starting a new thread? Thanks for all the help anyway.

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    Re:In need of help - sound issues 2011/01/30 09:03:30 (permalink)
    if it's a different subject it's best to start a new thread.

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