"Only Grace"

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2011/01/28 10:13:44 (permalink)

"Only Grace"

Here's another one for my friend Heath's CD that we recorded on Monday. I just love the vocals on this one. I'm not too thrilled with the acoustic and will probably re-record it and/or add a second acoustic track. I was having a hard time getting the type of tone I wanted out of my Taylor (that's why I need more guitars! ) The song is all about the vocals though and we were going for a "live performance" type of feel so it doesn't need to be overly polished. It's a song by Matthew West. I appreciate any input and advice!
 
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    notnat
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 10:19:55 (permalink)
    We all need more guitars Dave...
    Killer Vocal performance... gave me goose bumps...
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 10:45:10 (permalink)
    I hear the compression on the vocal. Makes it sound like it's in a box.

    However, that said, the acoustic sounds great!

    Vocal sound sounds great too, aside from the obvious compression.

    I love the simple, straight forward. Very pure.

    I would make one crit, from a performance perspective. The way he sings this is very forward and aggressive, when the instrumentation doesn't really support that. Which is fine, if the plan is at some point to break into a full band instrumentation. Which would be AWESOME, but, not necessary. So I think I would only say that, while he's a good singer and the performance is delivered well, I would think to try to match the passion of the instrumentation with the vocal a little better. But, that's a producers view, not an artists view. Just a thought. Overall sounds awesome. And I'm loving how many songs there are here about YahWeh.

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 11:32:34 (permalink)
    Thanks Frank! Sometimes it's hard to keep an objective view of recordings that I work on, so it was good to hear that it gave you the same reaction as me!

    Good observations, Joshua. The compression is all added "in the box" (none when tracking), so I probably need to adjust the volume envelopes a little more to smooth out the levels as opposed to relying on the compression as much. (BTW - I used the same mic on this track and you have - the BlueBird - love it!). I definitely like him singing it the way it is, but I also like keeping it just vocals and acoustic. So I hear what you're saying there, but I think I'll leave it with just the guitar. Matthew West has an acoustic version of the song where he sings it a little more restrained to match the acoustic feel, but I think the message of the song is crying out for the vocal delivery that Heath gave it. Thanks for your detailed feedback, I really appreciate it!
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 13:25:41 (permalink)
    Dave,
     This sounds really fine. The Acoustic sounds really sweet. Vocals are really smooth as well. This is really wonderful! Thanks for sharing it!

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 13:31:56 (permalink)
    There is never enough guitars... that goes without saying.
     
    Great vocal tone, other that the balance compression issues rualrocker mentioned. 
     
    But excellent performance.  I kept waiting for "the band" to kick in

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 13:37:40 (permalink)
    only listening on the laptop but it sounds pretty good to me! the vocal performance is excellent. not as smitten with the acoustic, both in terms of sound (needs to be rounder and more low end) and the playing (all down strokes sounds a bit stilted and one- dimensional).

    i think some additional instrumentation would certainly improve this, though, even if it's just some strings towards the end. it's a great demo for the song, would like to hear the finished piece!

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 13:47:50 (permalink)
    Thanks Tap! Glad you enjoyed it - I appreciate the comments!

    Daryl - you got an extra one or two laying around to spare, don't ya? I'll definitely address that compression issue.

    Mark - yeah I was surprised about the postive comments on the acoustic cuz the sound is not what I was going for on tone. But I've not been getting the fuller low end I'm wanting without sounding boomy. On the downstrokes issue... that's how Matthew West plays it on his acoustic version (which is what the singer likes). But I agree with you. And this is a CD to pass out to family & friends and with trying to crank out 10 songs in just a few sessions, we'll probably end up being happy with the "great demo" status.
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 15:15:15 (permalink)
    What a wonderful voice!  The guitar sounds great.  It is appropriate for this simple arrangement.  As for more guitars, you could try adding some effects to shape your tone.  I usually put my GT10 on my Ovation to get different acoustic effects.

    As far as making CD with this song, the copyrights law forbids you to make a CD with this song even if it is given away free.  Go check out www.copyright.gov.  I know this because I produced a CD for church before. 

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 16:05:11 (permalink)
    Thanks Vicente! I appreciate the input.

    On the copyright issue... I've looked up info through LimeLight. That admin fee is a killer. I'm not sure exactly how many he plans on giving out but I'll let him decide what he wants to do. However, my personal opinion is that I view copyright laws like traffic laws - there's a difference between driving a couple of miles over the speed limit and a DUI, if you know what I mean.
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 17:26:12 (permalink)
    Yeah that acoustic could sound better, but unfortunately, I don't know how to tell you to do that? I would also like to hear it strummed a little differently? it's all down strokes? Maybe do that in the beginning and then mix it up with some up and down strumming? That singer has "it." He's really an awesome singer. 

    And if you should fall again, get back up. Bring the band in there :-) And there, now you're strumming it differently? 

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 17:37:54 (permalink)
    Thanks Robby! I would like to redo the acoustic. I wish I had more time. This track only involves about 45 minutes recording time and about an hour of mixing. So it's a rush job and I guess along with that comes "technical imperfections". But between work, teenage daughter, band, grandpa's in the hospital, etc, that's about how much time I've got!! With 10 songs (most of which I needed to learn to play) I'll probably put 40-60 hours into this CD, which I know is not much compared to a "professional" CD, but it's hard to fit that into my schedule.

    But yeah he's a great singer and I feel fortunate to get to work with him. I want the music to be good but end of the day this CD is about his singing.

    Thanks!
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/28 19:26:24 (permalink)
    I've never heard the acoustic version, so I kept waiting for the band, too, but yeah, he's got a great voice.  :-)    And I understand keeping it simple when you're pressed for time.  Nice one!
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/29 13:13:55 (permalink)
    Perhaps the off-timed guitar hooks me the most: This is exceedingly beautiful to my ears (frightfully similar to my guitar style).  I wish the strum hits didn't fade on the 1st verse (so I listened twice).

    But this is exceedingly inspiring for stormy Christians (me), though this song doesn't really validate the cross-of-Christ causing all that forgiveness (if that makes sense). 

    9.9/10  10/10 if you blend-in bring up that precious guitar in the 1st verse.  Wow!
     
    Regarding copyright issues:  Being that this is a Christian song and all Christian songs flow from God's Spirit (if my KJV Eph 5.19 scriptures are correct) ... you may have a spiritual obligation to place this in your CD.  IOWs, if you don't place this in your CD, you're breaking the commandment, IMHO.  But if its for filthy lucre, well ...
     
    Another work-around: If this song is in a book you've bought (with "written permission" therein) ... you may justify a legal portion of it ... I may be wrong.
    post edited by Philip - 2011/01/29 13:25:28

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/29 15:47:19 (permalink)
     I love the tune, vocals are outstanding. I like the acoustic sound but agree with your inclination to add another track to it.

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/29 21:39:50 (permalink)
    Dave,

    excellent recording. The vocals are sweet. I like the tone of the guitar but not the strumming. It sounds like 95% straight downstrokes..... that's my only nit.

    On the vox maybe a slight bit more verb to add space.

    I heard a few places where you could easily bring in the band, but keeping it acoustic works too.

    On the issue of covers....especially Christian covers... go to The Harry Fox Agency  website , License Music, Mechanical License and fill out the application and pay the license fee right there.... you have to set up an account first IIRC.... but that keeps you legal... and it's like 10 cents per CD , per song that you plan to manufacture and sell. Not very expensive at all.

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/30 16:39:19 (permalink)
    Dave
    I love the vox. what a very nice heart felt peroformance...

    but I think that for the guitar part I would try to intermix some very simple up and down strumming cause the all down strokes tend to get old soon......need some variety.....

    but that is just my own opinion.....

    as far as the tune itself goes.....you picked well.....it fits both of you and it is a nice clean recording.

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/30 19:30:51 (permalink)
    Sweet!

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/30 21:05:41 (permalink)
    Very well written and sung. I might think this would work with a ukulele! The guitar strum pattern did bore the heck outta me, but considering this was a rush job, its fine. 
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/31 11:42:34 (permalink)
    Wow.  Really sounds great to me.  Very rich vocal and the Taylor sounds good.  I have to kinda agree with -J-YoYo about the strum.  I couldn't tell you how to change it though.  Really nice recording, Dave and friends!

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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/31 13:04:38 (permalink)
    Wow thanks everyone so much for the feedback!! I will definitely re-record the acoustic - just need to find time!!

    I'll also bump up the acoustic in the mix during the 1st verse to get the extra credit points from Philip!
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    Re:"Only Grace" 2011/01/31 17:14:03 (permalink)
    Nice tune and a superb vocal there Dave.  It sounded like some body resonance ringing thru from your Taylor, but I think it's worth another take with a slightly different approach.
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