dlbachtell
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Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
In all previous versions of Cakewalk and Sonar there was a tempo ratio tool that would quickly reduce the tempo by 50% or increase it by 200%. This tool was so useful that I mapped three buttons on my MCU to invoke it. Now it appears to have disappeared from X1 totally.
When adding tracks to an existing project that employed a fast tempo, it was very useful to be able to cut the tempo with one keystroke. (The downside was that this ability disappeared if an audio track was present.)
Anyway, I've been working on a long project with many tempo changes and its a real PITA to have to adjust each tempo individually and then restore them.
Bakers - please put this back in.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 16:31:29
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I can say that spanning back all the way to CWPA 6, I have never used that feature. Doesn't mean that I want to deny it to you though.
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BlixYZ
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 16:34:08
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i hate to change the subject on you but, is there an easy way to map buttons on the mcu? give me some tips maybe?
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 16:39:22
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dlbachtell
In all previous versions of Cakewalk and Sonar there was a tempo ratio tool that would quickly reduce the tempo by 50% or increase it by 200%. This tool was so useful that I mapped three buttons on my MCU to invoke it. Now it appears to have disappeared from X1 totally.
When adding tracks to an existing project that employed a fast tempo, it was very useful to be able to cut the tempo with one keystroke. (The downside was that this ability disappeared if an audio track was present.)
Anyway, I've been working on a long project with many tempo changes and its a real PITA to have to adjust each tempo individually and then restore them.
Bakers - please put this back in.
Yes! I just assumed there was a keyboard short cut for it in this version. I used it too to slow down playback during edits.
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 16:43:06
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BlixYZ
i hate to change the subject on you but, is there an easy way to map buttons on the mcu? give me some tips maybe?
MCU propeties box........ Utilities->Mackie Control you can map the MCU's F keys from there
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aeosus
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 17:11:19
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I also used this forever and ever, until about 5 years ago when I started using software synths.
It no longer functioned after inserting a software synth (treats their outputs as audio tracks).
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dmbaer
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 17:41:17
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dlbachtell
Anyway, I've been working on a long project with many tempo changes and its a real PITA to have to adjust each tempo individually and then restore them.
I don't know the answer to your main question, but I can point out that you can use process/fit-to-time to change all tempo events in one operation. Granted, not as easy as clicking a button, but way easier than adjusting many tempo changes.
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kelsoz
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 19:10:52
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+1 from me. Fast for the reasons you stated, slow to focus on inticate timing. And you could change the ratios.
Probably not a heavily used function but very useful when needed. Why on earth dump it?
Bring back the Ratios.
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spinlock_1977
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/02 19:57:35
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Haha I've never used the 50% / 200% buttons since I started with Cakewalk 3.0 (pre-sonar) in the early 90's (I think). I'm just a part-time hobbiest (20 hrs/month), but last weekend for the very first time I needed the 200%! First time ever. Spent an hour hunting through the barely-updated badly-indexed X1 help trying to find it. Googled it. Gave up.
I had a few midi bass lines that I needed to quickly scan (200%) for a particular mistake so I could comp them, and quickly realized I could pick up other mistakes on other midi tracks quickly with this technique. Sure would have been nice to have a 200% function kicking around that night - work-flow improver in some situations.
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dlbachtell
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 07:19:23
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I don't know the answer to your main question, but I can point out that you can use process/fit-to-time to change all tempo events in one operation. Granted, not as easy as clicking a button, but way easier than adjusting many tempo changes. Thanks for this workaround. I use the fit-to-time so rarely that I ignored it as a solution. It accomplishes what I require, although you're correct that it's not as convenient as the one-button solution.
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Lynn
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 09:36:32
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I'd only used it a few times, but I would like it back.
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Phoenix
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 11:42:29
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I never had occasion to use that feature, but it would be good to have (back). I find the "improvements" to the Tempo View to be dubious, myself. Granted, it's nice to be able to see the tempo graph, but sometimes I want the list view, and can't find it. A few tempo workflow tweaks would be nice.
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Poco
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 12:43:50
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For me it is practically useless, because most of my project have at least one audio track. I sure wish you could do what Adobe Audition has always been able to do: fast forward while monitoring. The longer you hold the FF button down the more the playback increases. Great way to find "that place" in your tracks.
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benstat
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 12:49:52
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If enough people are interested in this I'll see if I can add it to SONAR X1 Helper.
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Poco
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 13:36:45
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Hey Ben,
See if you can get FF with audition. I'd pay you a donut for that.
BTW, I use MS Visual Studio for Business Intelligence Development. Interesting take on the name of your product (kind of like BIDS Helper :)
The only danger in using your tool (like using BIDS Helper), is when you encounter a system that doesn't have it, you're lost. Keep up the good work.
Poco
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PeterMc
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 15:41:20
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Phoenix
I never had occasion to use that feature, but it would be good to have (back). I find the "improvements" to the Tempo View to be dubious, myself. Granted, it's nice to be able to see the tempo graph, but sometimes I want the list view, and can't find it. A few tempo workflow tweaks would be nice.
You can bring up the list view using a button at the top of the tempo view. Cheers, Peter.
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Re:Am I the only one who misses the tempo ratios?
2011/02/03 21:27:33
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Poco
For me it is practically useless, because most of my project have at least one audio track. I sure wish you could do what Adobe Audition has always been able to do: fast forward while monitoring. The longer you hold the FF button down the more the playback increases. Great way to find "that place" in your tracks.
As do mine. But when I'm scanning midi tracks for known mistakes, I solo the midi.
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