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Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respond!!

I have a pretty fast PC set up, but my soundcard (Toneport UX2) seems to have problems with low latency settings on my system. I am looking for an inexpensive 2 channel interface with mic pre's that can jive with Win7 64 bit.

I am also looking at Rig Kontrol 3 and possibly purchasing a 2 channel Mic Pre to run through it's line inputs. Any thoughts on it's performance?

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 17:18:54 (permalink)
    Line 6 drivers are icky. They don't work well at all. Although, there are some that have good sucess with them.

    M-Audio has some really nice stuff. There are some that have built in effects so you can track with effects but not record the effects. A very cool feature. My E-MU does this but I will not recomend E-MU even though it has been a solid interface for me.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 17:24:04 (permalink)
    Focusrite 'Saffire 6 USB' around $200. Good sounding pre-amps. Good drivers/features. I use one when I'm mixing on the go.
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 17:36:39 (permalink)
    I use a Toneport UX2 for Vocal recording only - it works just fine, but I'm using it's tone direct monitoring and not going for low latency.
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 18:41:46 (permalink)
    Okay this should rock the foruim a bit.

    I have a lot of interfaces (read my history for further info)

    Based on the number of channels you say you need, and without any other needs cited, hands down the 'best' interface is the Avid Mbox3

    #1 Win7 64 fully supported
    #2 The ONLY interface at this price with onboard DSP
    #3 Good sturdy construction
    #4 Comes with some other DAW that I can't remember it's name

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 19:48:48 (permalink)
    You could just go with the Cakewalk ones. I have the Edirol UA 101 which is now labeled Cakewalk. Works great for me. Had it for over 3 years.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 20:17:44 (permalink)
    nathen ebay  m-audio firewire 410/610 its more than most
    would need.. except if your tracking live drums..200.00 or
    less.. firewire too..
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 20:37:44 (permalink)
    Look at ECHO products. Price/performance ratio is a no brainer. Also, their drivers are always excellent, the pres sound damn good for interface pres, and they play nice with W7 (they are always on top of the latest drivers)

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 20:48:33 (permalink)
    +1 for the Echo Layla 3G. Pricey, I guess, but with the pre's and 8 channels I was able to box up my audio mixer.

    Works exceptionally well with Windows 7 64.
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 21:25:11 (permalink)
    Why don't you try the Hardware forum?
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 21:30:19 (permalink)
    haha yeah this shohuld get moved to hardware lol

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/02 23:42:30 (permalink)
    Guitarpima

    M-Audio has some really nice stuff. There are some that have built in effects so you can track with effects but not record the effects. A very cool feature. My E-MU does this but I will not recomend E-MU even though it has been a solid interface for me.

    After the 7/64 issues with the Delta series, it would be hard to recommend M-Audio.  I am curious why you would not recommend the E-MU when you say it has been solid for you.
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 00:25:39 (permalink)
    The TC Konnekt 6 was listing for $200 last month.  Greastereo in/out sound.  One preamp and no midi, tho.  And the drivers are fixed.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 03:23:07 (permalink)
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     Also, their drivers are always excellent, the pres sound damn good for interface pres, and they play nice with W7 (they are always on top of the latest drivers)
    This is the best advice. Make sure to get quality drivers. This is more important than interface specs or price.
     
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    3) Price
     

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 10:22:53 (permalink)
    Yeah, Yeah, I know...the hardware forum. I just figured if I posted in the x1 producer forum I'd get more hits.

    Anyone have any experience with Rig Kontrol 3? any thoughts?

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 10:25:51 (permalink)
    Focusrite Sapphire Pro 24 (Firewire) works beautifully once all the drivers are updated.  Very solid piece of audio equipment.  Under $300 on the web. 
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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 10:39:46 (permalink)
    I'm not Jim Roseberry but I know he's been recommending the M-audio Fast Track Ultra as his top recommendation.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 11:49:06 (permalink)

    he's been recommending the M-audio Fast Track Ultra as his top recommendation.

     
    If you need a lower cost audio interface that provides preamps and has low round-trip latency... then it's hard to beat the FastTrack Ultra... and it's bigger brother the Ultra 8R.
     
    Many of the interfaces listed above will work/sound fine... but many of them have higher round-trip latency.  If you never intend to monitor in realtime thru software processing/EFX, then it doesn't matter.
    If you do want the ability to monitor in realtime thru software processing/EFX (ie:  Running a DI guitar/bass thru an AmpSim and listening to the results while playing), then getting an audio interface that provides low round-trip latency is paramount.
     
    Round-trip latency is the sum of the following:
    • A/D and D/A converters
    • ASIO input and ASIO output buffers
    • The driver's hidden safety buffer
    The wild-card that you have no control over is the driver's hidden safety buffer.
    If your audio interface uses a large hidden safety buffer, it'll suffer from high round-trip latency... and there's nothing you can do about it.  (Doubling the sample-rate roughly cuts round-trip latency in half... but at the cost of doubling the load on the system.)
    Some interface manufacturers choose to use a large hidden safety buffer... because it insures glitch-free playback under less than ideal circumstances.  That's fine and good... but it comes at the expense of high round-trip latency.  If you're running a recent make well configured DAW, it can handle running substantial loads at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size (or less)... completely glitch-free.
     
    To sum it up:
    If you want a unit that provides preamps and low round-trip latency, your options are few.
    If you're not concerned with low round-trip latency, you have numerous good choices.
    BTW, There's a Nathan Barton who lives two houses down from me.   
    post edited by Jim Roseberry - 2011/02/03 11:51:57

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 15:13:39 (permalink)
    I've had great experiences with the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra under Sonar 8.5x/Win7-64.
    Excellent latency and fine sound.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/03 21:53:40 (permalink)
    Sorry no experience with Rig Control.  I'm basing my recommendation on my experience with my Fireface 800 and RME's reputation in general: for what you want I would seriously consider the RME Babyface.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/05 17:33:48 (permalink)
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    Many of the interfaces listed above will work/sound fine... but many of them have higher round-trip latency.  If you never intend to monitor in realtime thru software processing/EFX, then it doesn't matter.
    If you do want the ability to monitor in realtime thru software processing/EFX (ie:  Running a DI guitar/bass thru an AmpSim and listening to the results while playing), then getting an audio interface that provides low round-trip latency is paramount.
     
    Does low round-trip latency apply to the use of soft synths?  An example would be playing back some pre-recorded drums using Session Drummer 2 or Maschine and playing a lead in real time using Dimension Pro.  If this is the case, does it also apply to sequencing if only a drum track and then later a synth is recorded?


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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/05 17:44:00 (permalink)
    it applies mostly to softsynths (latency).  the problem is not going to be, however, for playback - playback is not an issue with high latency.  the issue is trying to record MIDI while using the softsynth as your MONITOR.  in other words, if you have DimPro set up as a softsynth in your project and you're playing a keyboard as input to the MIDI track and dimpro is the output and you're listening to dimpro as you play;  that's when latency needs to be as low as possible.  when you have high latency there will be a delay between the time you hit a key and the time you hear it.  that makes playing in time difficult

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/05 19:52:44 (permalink)
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    it applies mostly to softsynths (latency).  the problem is not going to be, however, for playback - playback is not an issue with high latency.  the issue is trying to record MIDI while using the softsynth as your MONITOR.  in other words, if you have DimPro set up as a softsynth in your project and you're playing a keyboard as input to the MIDI track and dimpro is the output and you're listening to dimpro as you play;  that's when latency needs to be as low as possible.  when you have high latency there will be a delay between the time you hit a key and the time you hear it.  that makes playing in time difficult


    Now that's an understatement!  At least for me.

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/05 20:48:28 (permalink)
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    it applies mostly to softsynths (latency).  the problem is not going to be, however, for playback - playback is not an issue with high latency.  the issue is trying to record MIDI while using the softsynth as your MONITOR.  in other words, if you have DimPro set up as a softsynth in your project and you're playing a keyboard as input to the MIDI track and dimpro is the output and you're listening to dimpro as you play;  that's when latency needs to be as low as possible.  when you have high latency there will be a delay between the time you hit a key and the time you hear it.  that makes playing in time difficult


    Now that's an understatement!  At least for me.


    seriously!  I have a hard enough time playing in time WITHOUT a delay!!

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/05 22:46:40 (permalink)
    Playing soft-synths (or playing back a mix), you're dealing with one-way (playback) latency.
     
    If you audio interface provides low round-trip latency, a side benefit is that it also provides (really) low one-way latency. 
     
    Round-trip latency is encountered when inputing an audio signal, processing it, and listening to the result in realtime.  You're dealing with latency from both audio input and audio output.
    ie:  Playing a DI electric guitar thru an AmpSim plugin... and monitoring the results as you're tracking.
     
    With a fast well-configured DAW, we now have the speed to run substantial loads at ultra low latency settings.
    It's nice to be able to (comfortably) play a DI electric bass thru the likes of Ampeg SVX.  
     
     

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/02/06 02:41:30 (permalink)
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    Yeah, Yeah, I know...the hardware forum. I just figured if I posted in the x1 producer forum I'd get more hits.

    Anyone have any experience with Rig Kontrol 3? any thoughts?


    Like I said no Rig Kontrol experience, but I'll throw in that I have Komplete 7 and NI is one of my favorite companies.  They do things right in general.   I do use and like Guitar Rig 4, although I have to admit I go to my Line6 products first just because I had them years before I got GR4 so am more familiar with them.   As far as getting some feedback on the Rig Kontrol, have you tried Gear Slutz or NI Forum ?

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    Re:Looking for suggestions for a good audio interface- Jim Rosenberry, feel free to respon 2011/03/07 11:31:51 (permalink)
    Does the M-Audio Fast Track Pro have similar latency as the Ultra?  I am looking for low round trip latency but don't need 8 inputs.

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