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2011/02/03 15:31:45 (permalink)

Drop Outs

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        I have a big problem with "Drop outs" on my new Sonar X1 Producer. So, when I play or record clips (it doesn't matter if this is one or couple of clips) after +- 20-30 second the audio engine stops, though the sound was played fluently without any crashes. The hard drive load meter is red when I push the play button again (before drop out it was about 3% loaded). I tried using ASIO (asio4all) and WDM/KS drivers on various latency settings, but the problem was ALWAYS the same. It's impossible to work. My computer configuration is: Core i3, 6GB DDR3 1333MHz, Gigabyte P55-UD3L motherboard, 1TB hard drive WD 7200rpm, Win7 64-bit and the sound interface is Edirol UA-25 USB with the most up-to-date drivers. I also tried to re-installing program and defragmented hard drive. Unfortunetelly, nothing has changed.

Any idea how to solve this problem? Help!

PS Sorry for my poor english
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 15:38:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
disable networking and wireless network device
put windows in "no sounds"  mode.  
disable the built in sound card that came with the machine.
disable anti virus software

do these things one at a time so you can isolate the cause
have a beer or shot between each one you try

oh yeah, in mesia player, disable use of the edirol

what else should he try guys?

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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 15:39:05 (permalink)
Is this in just one project, or all of them?

Have you used previous versions of Sonar before?
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 15:41:44 (permalink)
FastBikerBoy


Is this in just one project, or all of them?

Have you used previous versions of Sonar before?


It is in all of projects, also newly recorded. I have used Sonar Le before and I didn't have any problems.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 16:02:50 (permalink)
What settings are you using for the Sampling Rate? Playback & Record I/O buffers? ASIO buffer size?

Have you tried the ASIO drivers for the Edirol or just ASIO4ALL? ASIO4ALL uses the WDM drivers so if there's an issue with those ASIO4ALL may not help.

Run a DPC latency check as well. As BlixYZ has pointed out wireless network cards especially can create havoc on a DAW.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 17:45:17 (permalink)


What settings are you using for the Sampling Rate? Playback & Record I/O buffers? ASIO buffer size?


I use 128 buffer size in Asio4All.

After I disabled network card and integrated audio card on the motherboard, projects with only Sonar X1 Producer effects play fluently now. But when I open projects from Sonar Le with 32-bit effects the playback stops frequently. When I deleted all the 32-bit effects and put 64-bit effects (also 3x Pro Channel effects) every single track started to play fluently and my problem seems to be solved now:)

Thank You!
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 19:22:12 (permalink)
Start > Control Panel > Power Options: Set to performance mode.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 19:36:07 (permalink)
Ditto on BlixYZ-My thoughts exactly


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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 19:38:45 (permalink)
Also I would set all power options to NEVER on sleep, power saving etc...


MIKE

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--X1 64 Pro Expanded, Dual 21" Monitors 
--PCR500  
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/03 22:15:31 (permalink)
hubertous



What settings are you using for the Sampling Rate? Playback & Record I/O buffers? ASIO buffer size?


I use 128 buffer size in Asio4All.

After I disabled network card and integrated audio card on the motherboard, projects with only Sonar X1 Producer effects play fluently now. But when I open projects from Sonar Le with 32-bit effects the playback stops frequently. When I deleted all the 32-bit effects and put 64-bit effects (also 3x Pro Channel effects) every single track started to play fluently and my problem seems to be solved now:)

Thank You!


Is there a reason you are using ASIO4ALL? It is great for getting laptop/on board sound cards working or if you have a device with flakey ASIO drivers. I used to use it when I had an Alesis brfore they sorted their drivers out and still do on my laptop, so I am a 'fan' of it, but............

I'll be very surprised if you don't get better results with the Edirol ASIO drivers. ASIO4ALL is more of a fix/last resort rather than a 'go to' for interface drivers.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 03:06:54 (permalink)
Some useful tweaks listed by respondents above.  Native Instruments did a really useful list of audio tweaks for XP (as a constant dropout victim I've looked at a lot of these lists and this is the best) most of which if iiirc will apply to any OS. 

[link=http://www.native-instruments.com/knowledge/questions/343/Windows+XP+Tuning+Tips+for+audio+processing]http://www.native-instrum...s+for+audio+processing[/link]
 

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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 03:53:29 (permalink)
I have a big problem with "Drop outs" on my new Sonar X1 Producer.


Hey I notice you are new here somewhat.

I have the same issue and it's basically a bug in the software as my other DAW's do not do this and I am using a new computer (i7).

I'm not sure if you are aware but X1 has a LOT of bugs like this. My channels or part of it would drop out all the time for no reason at all.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 07:44:15 (permalink)
Crush



I have a big problem with "Drop outs" on my new Sonar X1 Producer.


Hey I notice you are new here somewhat.

I have the same issue and it's basically a bug in the software as my other DAW's do not do this and I am using a new computer (i7).

I'm not sure if you are aware but X1 has a LOT of bugs like this. My channels or part of it would drop out all the time for no reason at all.


A bug is reproducible. Not everyone is having dropouts. Therefore it is something on your machines that is causing this (software or hardware; settings or drivers). The only way to find out is to experiment and experiment until you find the problem. Coming to a forum and saying bugs bugs bugs is going to help no one. I would go out on a limb and say that the OP's and even your dropouts are NOT due to any "bugs" as you say.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 14:44:29 (permalink)
A bug is reproducible. Not everyone is having dropouts. Therefore it is something on your machines that is causing this


You mean my clean install of Windows 7 on a new i7 machine?

Let me make this clear and say this again.

MY OTHER DAW'S DO NOT DO THIS.

again.

MY... OTHER... DAW'S... DO.. NOT... DROP.. OUT.. SOUND.

OTHER.. X1 USERS... EXPERIENCE.. THE SAME..

And all of a sudden it's a USER ERROR!!!

LOL!!!!!

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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 18:09:40 (permalink)
Crush



A bug is reproducible. Not everyone is having dropouts. Therefore it is something on your machines that is causing this


You mean my clean install of Windows 7 on a new i7 machine?

Let me make this clear and say this again.

MY OTHER DAW'S DO NOT DO THIS.

again.

MY... OTHER... DAW'S... DO.. NOT... DROP.. OUT.. SOUND.

OTHER.. X1 USERS... EXPERIENCE.. THE SAME..

And all of a sudden it's a USER ERROR!!!

LOL!!!!!



You literally make me face palm on every post you make. You must be slaying imaginary dragons in your studio because the rest of us are not impressed.

It's not bugs, it's not user error, it's system configuration. You can't say this is an epidemic because many of us are running SONAR X1 rock solid re: playback. I'm sorry that you can't. You'd be more liked around here if you gave some legitimate words of advice once and a while instead of being an obvious troll.

Not all clean installs are 'clean' btw. Not all drivers are made the same either....
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 18:27:35 (permalink)
Hubertous I got slapped pretty hard for not checking my facts 1st, so I checked your USB audio interface and it states it supports WDM and MME. Have you tried the MME (32bit) yet?  I know from experience, this helped me when I had drop outs...haven't seen it mentioned so thought I'd throw it out there.

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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 18:31:08 (permalink)
crush why o why?..dude i dont understand why you think every problem on here is due to bugs and unstablity of x1..there are other reasons you know?..before you send this kid home thinking its an unfixable bug,why not let us try and help,cause you said nothing helpful,you chime in any chance you get,you make it your life long destiny to smear the sonar name now..if your running windows seven try this..set your driver to mme if all else fails.it got huge latency issues but its stable and will let you pound endless effects with out drop out unless you ram is cheap low.lower the buffer when recording enought to balance latency..theres your quick fix till you can track the problem..cakewal also has a page defining what driver to use with what soundcard..i used asio4free also.it will lead to conflicts after a while though
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 18:36:43 (permalink)
Chuckebaby, you mentioned "if all else fails use MME"...I just recommended he try that. I have my notebook set to MME. Could that be causing some of my problems? Just curious..

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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 18:57:51 (permalink)
that all depends on what your problems are..not if you use an external soundcard..i use mme now with out an exturnal soundcard, its what cake recomended on their website,its usually flawless and no problems with my buffers set real low..i think its synch catch(i think) is set to about 50.but it queues up and starts great..i had it set high and when i hit start it would sit there for a second or so..ive got it fine tuned now.it took alot of dective work though.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 20:07:53 (permalink)
I think Asio4All isn't that bad at all. Results on these drivers are good enough for me. If I want better performance, sound quality and functionality, I'd buy better audio interface (I'm considering Focusrite Pro 24DSP or MOTU UltraLite-Mk3 Hybrid). But the question is: Do I get better-sounding vocals on RME Fireface UC with built-in preamps, or for example Focusrite Pro24DSP+Golden Age Project PRE-73 (my mic is Avantone CV-12)?
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/04 20:50:50 (permalink)
hubertous, did you get your problem fixed with the Asio4Al drivers? That's awesome if that's true and if it is, you might want to change the title of your thread so others know what one possible solution is to drop outs.



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Re:Drop Outs 2011/02/05 02:55:10 (permalink)
Just FYI I've recently found that changing the "DropoutMsec" in the config file from 250 to 300 has stopped almost all my dropouts that I used to get when turning sends on & off.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/09/11 14:25:23 (permalink)
[size=4 font="times new roman"]I had issues with Sonar Drop Outs at first - it seemed to be the [size=4 font="times new roman"]Dlink DWA-522 [size=3 font="segoe print"][size=3 font="segoe print"][size=4 font="times new roman"]8.0.0.332 wireless card (- see this link for a thread on same.http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=3082.new;topicseen#new ) [size=4 font="times new roman"]that was causing issues.
[size=4 font="times new roman"]Going to give the software a good run in the next two weeks (live of the floor band recording ) to see how it performs.
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Re:Drop Outs 2011/09/11 14:41:57 (permalink)
hello : there are 2 ver's of your motherboar 2.0 and 2.3

http://www.gigabyte.com/p...-page.aspx?pid=3501#ov

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I would read up on the chipset drivers also try the proper driver for your interface.. also you might need some bios tweeks.. Note: and read bios rev's for your mother board Board
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