Meh, another edit.

I think the thing to do is step away from the chalupa. I'm a "head on" guy and not really afraid of things but I think an absence until I see the update is best.

I will answer all PM's though, so hopefully I'll be strong and stay out of the pot so to speak.

Yeah good points Keni,

Luckily for me I was never too wed to 8.53 and am a casual user so X1 actually works great for me. Has taken a very large effort to come to grips with all the new tools and I THINK I like them. Sooo much room for improvement and I'm afraid many of those improvements will wait until a paid X2 or X3. Sigh.

Benstat's helper looks amazing and I will have to try it after he gets his official first version posted. How he can add so many features from outside the program simply amazes me.

I feel your pain Keni and I think the Bakers knew that some people would like the new UI and other wouldn't. It was a risky strategy and sadly will leave some users very bummed out. Hopefully future versions get it sorted for you but I don't the feeling they will. And maybe benstat can really address the shortcomings but that's really just a band-aid ain't it.

Anyway hang in the and if there's thing I (we) we can do to help please post away.

I meant no disrespect to benstat's helper, in fact I'm in awe of his abilities. I only meant it was a Band-aid in the fact that Sonar and the Bakers didn't build that stuff in. Plugin sounds better to me as well.

It's crashed like that a few time before I figured it out but I don't remember ever seeing the C++ message.

It's a bit OT for this thread Keni but there's a pic of the crash screen on this thread.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2220456

Middleman


Mid March is considered safe for decent bug resolution

The masses are hoping for late February

MID MARCH ????????????????????????? WTF ! WTF !

ROLAND -CAKEWALK ----I start laughing  --this MUST be a joke !

Oh, and let's think about this:   X1B may solve some problems, but it probably won't be the last patch or fix all problems.

So even X1B may not get us all 'there' yet.   I hope I'm wrong on this, of course.

FastBikerBoy


I think X1b will fix an awful lot of the bugs but there will be many that are going to be disappointed. The reason? It isn't going to change X1 back into 8.5 or Sonar V9 like some seem to want.

Karl,
 
I personally DON'T want X1 to be 8.5.3.  I WANT it to be fresh/new/better.   I'm ok with that.  What I don't want is the hype about it and in the end result it's not that.
 
I've been using Sonar for 7 years and I've grown with it.  I want it to grow with me too.
 
But I don't want corporate decisions to be made without regard to the consequences.  And, in all the honesty I can muster, that's what this felt like.
 
I think Sonar has an enormous feature set that should be as solid as can be, after 10 years in the making (baking?);  but to see the kind of extremely varied results (including my own) is of concern.
 
SOME of the bugs they let out said to me (and maybe only me):   they didn't care as much about me as I did about them.  I think others felt that way too.  It doesn't take rocket science to figure that out.
 
I'm am not a fanboi, nor am I a CW basher.  I am a customer who has been loyal.  It's time for CW to step up to the plate and be a loyal vendor.
 
At this point in time, I'm am truly sorry to say that I am not going to be as "hopeful" as I used to be.  I want results now.  We all do.   Times are changing.  The competition is changing.
 
I want MY Sonar to be the best I can have/get.   So I have a vested interest in being demanding about that.  We all do.
 
Let's see if they do.
 
Now, there are some CW staffers who will say I'm violenty angry and take things too personally.  I strongly disagree.  But at this point, it doesn't matter as much as it USED to....    I just want to make music with great tools.
 
Sonar was my sidekick for 7 years.   But like all relationships - it takes two to tango.
 
 
 
 

Karl,
 
First I thank you for your kinds words.  And I hope you know, (and I'm sure I do) that I have the same repsect for you.  I admire your tenacity lately.  I can't say I have the same ability to keep going with some of the issues (and people) here.  But you have always been an extremely helpful person; willing to share YOUR well earned knowledge with others.  I have certainly been the beneficiary of your knowledge and willingness to share. 
 
And for that I thank you.
 
It is somewhat unfortunate the downturn I / others see here.  This forum has been (and actually still is) one of the most vibrant communities I have ever stumbled upon.    I always find myself ending up back to here for SO many reasons, and for the 'few' who seem to exude incredible humanity, sentivitiy, and knowledge.   I do hope CW understands what a community this has become.
 
As I continue to live life, and get older, I realize that no matter what, there always will be those who aren't "there' yet.  We all were (and may still be) like that.   It's through the wisdom of others that I gratefully learn so much.
 
And even those who are extreme, less thoughtful, etc, I learn from them too.  It reminds me of where I have been and may still be.    We are just humans.
 
I always tell friends a story about the:
"Chicken coming out of the egg."   When a chic is born, it's first task is to break through that shell that encompasses it.  It chips away and at the time it probably seems like an endless and futile task.  BUT - once it cracks through that shell -- there's a whole new world on the other side.
 
I think us humans are like that, but with all the "conveniences" in life (iPhones, etc) -- we get somewhat sedate.  We are mesmorized easily.  All the more reason to shake people loose from their comfort zones.
 
Ok, but I digress a little LOL.
 
I have said many times, and will again:  these are challenging times.  But in those kinds of times is where humans have the most potential for growth.
 
In good times - we bond.  In tough times -- we either grow or we fall behind.   I would encourage us to grow in difficult times.
 
And, in that mindset, I think this is a good time for CW to grow.   I mean that.   A company is made up of "humans."  And while things like quarterly earnings may not affect everyone, it does affect those who are in "the company".
 
I think what has happened - from my perspective, is that the long time CW customers expected something more than audio snap not working properly -- or Snap Grid being undependable.   Shouldn't this program be beyond that?  Even with a new interface?
 
I know - as do you I'm sure - that this was NO easy task to take a mature, 10 years app and bring it into the current environment, and modernize it.   I know this was a difficult thing for the programmers and all involved.   And I DO have sympathy and compassion for them and what their challenge was.
 
But I honestly - and sincerely feel - this was their time to get a wake up call.   We all go through it many times in life.  And, more often than not, it's a good thing. 
 
Humans NEED to grow.  Need to express their talents.  Need to succeed.
 
And some don't.   We can't be responsible for everyone, but we can encourage each other to fight the demons we all have that hold us back.  And this applies to "companies" too -- as I said,  a company is still made up of Humans.
 
You, me, and many others here have been Cakewalks' front line of support in many ways.   I never asked for anything -- nor did you.   But now, when we need our tools to work - it's their turn to step up to the plate.
 
The funny thing is - we know they can.   But they didn't, in my opinion.   I'm not trying to be harsh.  But in my life sometimes life slaps me around to wake me up.   I think this is that kind of moment for CW.
 
I've been using Studio One for almost 2 weeks now.  Their competitor.   I'd rather be using Sonar X1 frankly - because "Sonar" as we've known it, has incrediblly MATURE features.   But I've given up SOME of those to have something else -- audio engine stability, and less bloat.
 
Maybe this is JUST my opinion, but I want to have Cake and it's great team (they are, even when they mess up like we all do) do what they can do best, and have for YEARS, which is to make a GREAT DAW.
 
This was not DAW 2.0.  This was something else.  I won't put a term on it ... I just don't know.  And we all know it's not HORRIBLE.   But it has too many "blatant" problems.  That's what makes me upset.   A first timer could have spotted these things, yet they let it out the door.
 
As for this forum -- yes, things have been weird lately.  I'm incredibly reluctant to involved myself -- and that's not like me.  I want to be involved.   Like you are and do.... and I was.
 
I don't know what else to say -   this is one long message isn't it? LOL.  I apologize.   I have a lot to say usually :)
 
Anyway - again thank you for your kind words - and thank you for YOUR contributions to me and others, Karl.
 
Let's hope this all works out.  But it won't happen on "wishing and hoping."  It will happen because those humans who can do something about -- will.
 
Be well my friend.
 
 
 

Some good points there Billy, and thanks for the kind words as well.

Aren't humans strange?........ Twenty years ago we'd have given body parts away to be able to edit audio as easily and in the way we can now.

Now we're ****ing 'cos the tool that'll help correct the timing doesn't work. That's progress I guess. Undoubtedly by the time Audiosnap is working properly we'll be complaining the tool that sorts out the guitarist's bum chord isn't working properly....... LOL

I think X1 probably has been a wake up call for CW, time will tell there I guess. In the meantime I'm going to try and be patient. Take care.......

"It's not a good feeling.   They had an opportunity to really hit a home run and instead they bunted (and I'm not even a big sports fan lol).

I DO await X1b, but things have changed. I just hope X1B isn't another "almost."  Only time will tell"

AMEN,, it's time to get it right. I really like the look and feel of X1 but am very dissapointed in the lazy approach to fixing it by cakewalk-roland. I for one am sick of the comments stating for them to take their time, blah blah. They had time to get it right before it was released to their buying public. Other DAWs such as Reaper release fixes weekly, what makes Sonar so special that it can not respond to a ruptured program in a similar manner.
I dare say if this were the business model for a new program, especially in these lean economic times, the said business would not be around very long at all.
Please get this thing right and don't make us wait until March to give us all hope that we can be productive on a pro level with X!.