kevo
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Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
I have always wanted the ability to choose what I wanted displayed when a track that has layers was collapsed. We *should* be able to at least select which layer to show as the top layer.
I haven't figured out why when collapsing a track that has layers just seems to show random clips. Almost never the ones I want either, too, also...
Is this something that has been added in Sonar X1?
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 14:24:01
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Not as far as I can tell. I was looking for the very same thing the other day.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 14:57:56
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I believe it always shows the most recently selected layer in the foreground, but that "memory" might get wiped by closing the project. If you selected multiple layers while showing layers, the lowest (i.e. most recently recorded) selected layer will be in the foreground.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 15:06:24
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I believe it always shows the most recently selected layer in the foreground, but that "memory" might get wiped by closing the project. If you selected multiple layers while showing layers, the lowest (i.e. most recently recorded) selected layer will be in the foreground.
It doesn't work that way here. That's what I expected, but I found that some random unselected layer sometimes came to the foreground.
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kevo
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 15:13:39
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brundlefly
I believe it always shows the most recently selected layer in the foreground, but that "memory" might get wiped by closing the project. If you selected multiple layers while showing layers, the lowest (i.e. most recently recorded) selected layer will be in the foreground.
It doesn't work that way for me. (highlighted in bold) It appears to be random. I have a track that has three layers, Sonar chose to show the middle layer (ie second) as top layer. That was not the most recent take. If a layer is highlighted and the track is collapsed, then whatever is highlighted will display on top only as long as it remains highlighted. Once it is no longer highlighted it gets buried.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 15:18:34
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On a similar vein. Does anyone know what determines layer order from top to bottom when selecting "rebuild layers"?
From my experience pot luck would seem to be the answer. Is there any logic?
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 15:46:45
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I've always been stymied by this too. Allowing us access to the Z-plane would be frickin' rad.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 15:55:08
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This has slowed me down too, as has Sonar's habit of showing all layers in the PRV, even if I set them to not play, either by "Qing" them or muting them in the miniscule buttons in the track header.
It seems to make sense to me that I wouldn't want to edit a layer that I've silenced.
I've had to trim layers back and forth so I could edit the live one in the PRV.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 16:03:08
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It seems to make sense to me that I wouldn't want to edit a layer that I've silenced. Me, too, and I was hoping this was possible in X1 (don't have it yet). It took a while for us to get "Hide muted clips", maybe "Hide muted layers" is coming? -Susan
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 16:31:29
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I'd be happy if there were two simple additions made to layers currently: - drag an drop re-ordering of layers, topmost is the visible on collapse
- a quick-command to "bust out" a layer to it's own cloned track
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 17:57:38
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On a similar vein. Does anyone know what determines layer order from top to bottom when selecting "rebuild layers"?
From my experience pot luck would seem to be the answer. Is there any logic?
As near as I can tell...
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kevo
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 18:03:12
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Susan G
It seems to make sense to me that I wouldn't want to edit a layer that I've silenced.
Me, too, and I was hoping this was possible in X1 (don't have it yet). It took a while for us to get "Hide muted clips", maybe "Hide muted layers" is coming?
-Susan
If they would just make it so that the top layer was the only layer that would display, at least we could live with that. We could then insert a new layer at the top, comp the track layers, collaps, and be done with the other layers. Don't know if that makes sense or not.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 18:15:05
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Layers need work in general in X1. They are buggy for a few reasons.
Hopefully they are working on layers to make them yummy for X1b, because I like them for comping and multi tracking.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 18:50:06
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FastBikerBoy
On a similar vein. Does anyone know what determines layer order from top to bottom when selecting "rebuild layers"?
From my experience pot luck would seem to be the answer. Is there any logic?
The logic is as simple as it's useless: - order clips list by start time - put each clip into the first layer where there's no overlap > big mess 
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/10 19:46:03
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a quick-command to "bust out" a layer to it's own cloned track +1
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/11 12:38:11
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Sounds like we're left behind the door on this one, even in X1.
On an unrelated note, I recently set up key bindings for the two "Lock Clip" commands, and this has saved me a lot of time and distraction. I recommend it highly.
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Re:Something I've never quite understood about track layers.
2011/02/11 14:19:41
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