Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX

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2011/02/12 15:00:14 (permalink)

Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX

Any one tried the new RME unit with Sonar?

How does it work?
Glitches?

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    n0rd
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2011/02/12 15:19:22 (permalink)
    I don't know anyone with a UFX - but plenty of people here have other RMEs (FF400, FF800, FF'UC, BabyFace etc)
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2011/02/12 15:23:42 (permalink)
    there was a thread a while back when this was first advertised
    It's also reviewed in january Sound on Sound
    Just wondering if there are any problems (not that RME has them!)


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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2011/02/13 12:26:19 (permalink)
    No one???


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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2011/02/13 13:58:40 (permalink)

    The UFX is a verynice unit: keep in mind USB3 is out so
    the firewire option it has, is very nice, I did a lotta reading
    on this unit. and from what ive read. its the unit to buy..
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/01/11 08:04:55 (permalink)
    brammer


    Any one tried the new RME unit with Sonar?

    How does it work?
    Glitches?

    Brammer


    I purchased the UFX and have it working with Sonar XI.  I am trying to work out some issues in recording but generally the unit works as advertised.  What makes it really nice is that it works in stand alone mode so you can use a USB stick or external hard drive to capture the channels.  A multi-part wav file is created which can then be imported into Sonar.  Apparently they have created their own USB drivers which smooth the recording process when sending it to a USB stick or external drive.  You'll have to remember that when using a stick or drive they need to be formatted in FAT32 as opposed to NTFS.
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/01/11 08:11:40 (permalink)
    The UFX is excellent! (as are all the derivatives)
    Exactly what you'd expect (rock-solid and great sound).
     
    Note on USB-3, the latest firmware for the RME units allows them to "work" when connected to USB-3 controllers.
    That said, if you're pushing the unit hard at ultra low latency settings, you'll achieve better performance connected to the USB-2 controller that's integrated into the chipset.
    ie:  If you plan to use the unit at a 48-sample ASIO buffer size, don't connect it to a USB-3 controller.
     
    If you have the budget, the UFX will easily last you a decade.

    Best Regards,

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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/01/11 10:02:43 (permalink)
    I've got the RME UFX Fireface...18 gazillion +1s

    Seriously, it is a fine unit, no problems at all that can be directly attributed. My typical project size runs about 30-35 tracks, mostly audio but some MIDI/Softsynths (typically KONTAKT and Superior Drummer)

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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/01/11 13:52:15 (permalink)
    I have the UFX - I run it via USB2 - it's quite solid with the recent drivers.  I did have some issues when I first purchased it about a year ago (although I'm still unclear whether X1a contributed to those issues), however those have all gone away with subsequent driver updates & X1c. 
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/01/11 19:11:00 (permalink)
    If your worrying about performance, Dont! If your thinking about getting it, Do!!

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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/04/01 23:04:37 (permalink)
    Ok here's how you do it.  Forget the video on how to use Fireface and Cakewalk, it's somewhat confusing.
    1.  Go into the matrix view of the fireface software
    2.  Define your inputs and any outputs you might be using.  The inputs are most important as they will be the channels that are sending informaiton to Sonar / Cakewalk
    3.  Head over to sonar and set up a new project.  Make sure your fireface is registered as the input device in the options section of Sonar.
    4.  If the fireface is the input device then on each channel of your project you can assign where the channel / track is to receive it's info.
    5.  When you look at the available inputs from the fireface they will be labled at 1 left, 1 right, 1 stereo, next one will be 3 Left, 3 right 3, stereo
    Notice 2 is missing.  The fireface takes each input and allows you to divide them as 2 mono channels or one stereo channel
    This should pick up all of your inputs and allow you to individually manage each channel.
     
    I will be playing around with the Playback option.  It should be just as simple.  Unfortunately the folks at cakewalk have been little to no help on this topic and the folks at Fireface have been equally void of assistance.  I'll update this inquiry once I play around with the playback.  The important area you need to read in the Fireface manual is the section on the matrix.  The matrix will give you a graphical layout of the inputs and outputs. The thing about the UFX is you get a host of choices and there is really very little in terms of an overview of how it actually all comes together for recording.
    Hope this helps people in this thread
    Sheldon
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/04/02 02:28:59 (permalink)
    I have a UFX - never used it in the studio other than via ADAT (it's in my mobile rack) but I do run an old RME HDSP9652 in my studio and that thing is beyond reliable. Live the UFX (with PT9 as DAW on my laptop) has been the BEST investment I have ever made in gear. I run USB.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/04/02 07:08:20 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry


    The UFX is excellent! (as are all the derivatives)
    Exactly what you'd expect (rock-solid and great sound).
     
    Note on USB-3, the latest firmware for the RME units allows them to "work" when connected to USB-3 controllers.
    That said, if you're pushing the unit hard at ultra low latency settings, you'll achieve better performance connected to the USB-2 controller that's integrated into the chipset.
    ie:  If you plan to use the unit at a 48-sample ASIO buffer size, don't connect it to a USB-3 controller.
     
    If you have the budget, the UFX will easily last you a decade.

    Jim:
    I  have been looking at this to replace the DACS in my remote rack #1.  I had an 800 and loved it.  Honestly scared to death about USB - I suspect I'd never use it - might I be too narrow minded on that?
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2012/04/02 11:03:10 (permalink)
    My UFX experience.
    Took delivery Friday, connected it to the USB2 port; successfully installed latest drivers and firmware.
    Tested at 48 samples, all good; I did not however "stress" it.
    Re-routed the rack ALL day Saturday (this is all Bapu's fault btw).
    I will begin to record with it this week.
    I left my FW-1884 on the FW port for continued use as a control surface.
    I too was "suspect" of USB performance, but RME is convinced it is at least as fast as FW.
    According to RME USB uses 32 "hidden" samples and "64" when using Firewire.
    The included "TotalMix" software is very powerfull and allows "hardware" like zero latency monitoring;
    in efect it is a software "hardware" mixer. (the only thing you don't have is analog inserts)
    TotalMix can be a bit confusing at first, read the manual carefully.
    I work with the Hammerfall in another studio so I had a "basic" grasp of its potential.
    This is now their "flagship" product and as Jim has said "the UFX will easily last you a decade".
    Given RME's track record I suspect that and maybe then some.
    HTH
    T

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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/17 01:39:13 (permalink)
    Hi Miguel,
     
    I'm happy to see a fellow X2 user have some success with the UFX. I have an identical setup to yours but after taking delivery of my UFX last week I still can't avoid dropouts - even at a latency setting of 1024. My PC is 'optimized' so to speak in every recommended way... I've even tried re-installing everything from the ground up, but still no luck (UFX firmware and drivers are current)
     
    May I ask - did you have this problem initially? And did you change any of Sonar's Config settings to improve performance?
     
    I have been pulling my hair out for days here.  :(
     
     
    Thanks again for any advice (mercy) you can give.
     
     
    Regards,
     
    Nathan
    post edited by Nighteyes78 - 2013/09/17 01:49:25
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/17 09:43:07 (permalink)
    Hi Nathan,
     
    First, make sure the UFX is connected to a USB-2 port.
    Some USB-3 ports work ok... but lots of 3rd-party USB-3 controllers don't
     
    Next, check the DPC Latency on your system.
    Google search for DPC Latency Checker (it's a small applet)
    If there are spikes in the yellow or red, you're virtually guaranteed to experience glitches/dropouts.

    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/17 10:01:25 (permalink)
    I am using the UFX without issues. I love the versatility. Excellent choice for an interface!

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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/17 10:30:22 (permalink)
    running a ufx with win7 sonar x2, winxp 8.5 with a 8 year old computer, intel dp35dp, q6600, TI firewire. i leave the buffers at 1024, I track real time all the time. 50+ tracks mainly audio! never a problem. hey if it aint broken!!!!!!!!!!! 
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/17 10:38:05 (permalink)
    Make a recording with rme digicheck. Does that work?

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/18 13:42:05 (permalink)
    I have RME UFX and I use it for the recording portion of my work ( I mix somewhere else) and works flawlessly. I had Focusrite Saffire 56 and the quality and interface and routing are superior.   And yes, I CAN hear a difference.   One major important difference is the line ines do not go through preamps so if you have outboard pre's you won;t get any (ok admittingly minimal) coloration from the interface itself.   The head phone amps and converters are cleaner and clearer.  My monitoring headphone mixes are so much better now and the totalmix SW is great.   It has excellent DSP which really works well for headphone mixes for tracking.  Reverb, compression etc.    YOu don't "need" it but when you have it, it really works well!
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/18 13:57:06 (permalink)
    Make a recording with rme digicheck. Does that work?

     
    Sure it works.  I rarely use it personally unless I need to record the output of my computer for VOIP interviews and such.  It can record any and all inputs or outputs.  
     
    The DUREC usb recording function is also great.  I use it 80% for live recording and the automatic backup via USB is a real stress reliever.  
     
    The sound is great, preamps are dynamic and clean.  I've compared the conversion with my Mytek 192 ADC and honestly I can't really hear a difference.  
     
    It is completely stable with every piece of software I have used.  Drivers are the best in the bizz.  
     
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    Re:Sonar X1 and RME Fireface UFX 2013/09/19 03:40:46 (permalink)
    Ah, RME will say that USB 2.0 can handle up to 100 channels. I use the Babyface though and it works a little differently. UFX has I think 30 channels input and output - total 60 channels - should have no problem with USB if newer type controllers on your motherboard. IC7H I think at least, but some computers are different, but anything newer should work fine.
     
    Firewire400 has 400Mb/sec whatever it is, and USB 2 has 48Mb/sec. Usuallyfirewire takes a TI controller and anyway, there are no firewire ports on a computer (windowsOS) usually anyway, so USB2 is always used.
     
    And new version 1.036 drivers from RME just came out - mainly because of Windows 8.1 and that is about it.
     
    TotalMixFX program is not an input gain on my Babyface, it is a listening and monitoring program. That is all.
    If you do not have an adequate signal into like my Babyface, then TotalMixFX will show that, or even the DAW program. I am not sure about the others, but I sure you can read about any of them over at the RME website.
     
    Just Do Not Use Hosa Cables on any input Neutrick combo whatever connector. Those cables will get stuck in there, and it becomes a mess to remove them without breaking the connector. Usually the unit has to be taken apart to remove them. Use cables that are rounded more than more triangle shaped on the tip connection, that is where the Hosa cables fail and can wreck the connection into the unit.
    Otherwise you will have trouble with those cables.
     
     
     
     

     
     
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