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Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
Hello I'am building a DAW for a friend and I need help choosing the right CPU. He use several software but mostly Sonar and he have a Allen & Heath Zed R16, his actual computer is really old, so he wants a new one for DAW and use the other for mail and internet. Since he is on a budget I choose AMD but in many forums recommended Intel, but those were older post. I need some help, so far this are the 2 rigs Intel CPU: Intel I7 970 Six-Core 3.20 GHz MOBO: EVGA X58 Classified 3 AMD CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 Six-Core 1100T Black Edition 3.30 MOBO: Asus Crosshair IV Extreme With the difference in money using AMD I can buy more memory and storage: Intel AMD RAM: 12 GB 1600 MHz vs 16 GB 1600 Mhz HDD: 2 SATA3 7200 WD 1 Tb black caviar (1xRAID 0) vs 4 ATA3 7200 WD 1 Tb black caviar (2xRAID 0) Help please! Sorry for my bad English I am from Argentina
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/21 12:41:58
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the AMD is not even as powerful as the intel 760. the 970 blows it away in a big way. better off waiting a little and get the new Sandy Bridge 2600 which beat them both
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crowley
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/21 17:39:16
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yes you can buy the cpu now but you cant buy a board for it they all got recalled by Intel. need a P67 board. availability in mid to late march. benchmarks here http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm 2nd test down hard to read with so many blues... @ 32 buffer amd 1090T 80 RXC 750 104 RXC 2600 183 RXC 980x 201 OCed 2600 261 RXC OCed 980x 270 RXC.
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/22 22:18:36
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better off waiting a little and get the new Sandy Bridge 2600 If you are on a tight budget, it is probably not advisable to wait for something that is likely to be in high demand when it eventually hits the market.
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/23 09:05:03
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why is that? if on a tight budget Sandy Bridge is the only thing that makes sense. the next closest is a 970 on an X58 platform.
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/23 10:41:18
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jcschild why is that? if on a tight budget Sandy Bridge is the only thing that makes sense. the next closest is a 970 on an X58 platform. I second this - especially as I was actually quoted a slightly higher price for the 970/X58 combination. I'm waiting until the P67 chipset issue is sorted - and incidentally although the 2600 and 2600K cost more than most CPUs they still seem to represent good value as against the 'extreme' Intel range.
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crowley
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/23 10:49:48
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I waiting for the 2600K, with luck middle April. And the difference in price between 2600K and the 970 means more RAM, storage and maybe a quadro card.
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/23 11:02:47
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quadro is a complete waste of money.
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crowley
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/23 11:05:47
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Right now I fell like the guy in your avatar :) Any advice in a good video card?
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/23 16:27:49
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LOL i feel like that every day audio or video or both?
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/27 17:03:06
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LOL i feel like that every day audio or video or both? I'm in the same boat...going to buy an i72600K and wait for the p67 MB's to come out in the next month or so. Looking for a good quiet (no fan) basic dual screen video card to run sonar x1 mostly with the occasional video work on small projects (transfer vhs to disk etc. no games) What would be a decent choice? THX
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/28 08:27:23
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ATI 4550, nvidia 210 both have fanless models
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/28 08:51:47
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I just built a DAW back in August of 2010. I too was faced with the "what do I want vs need" syndrome. I looked around a few places to get ideas and settled on a "mid level" system. Here's what I have determined in the time I have been in home recording. It's really cool to have the newest, fastest, shiniest, DAW on the block, but in the end, unless you really need all that power, it is a waste of money to go that route. For most people, recording at home, writing rock and roll, pop, or country songs and recording them with friends, or solo, for fun..... a decent smooth running DAW in the middle of the performance curve will be MORE than sufficient. If on the other hand you are a professional, making a living scoring films, and working with huge symphonic projects, running lots of synths and FX in real time, producing tracks for film & TV, recording artists, and running a full time/working studio, yeah, you might NEED a high performance DAW. I kind of bridge those 2 extremes. I work in my home studio, solo mostly, with some internet collaboration, and produce music that is being signed into major film/TV production libraries. I needed a smooth running and reliable DAW since my lappy was getting a bit stressed. So, after looking around, I settled on a custom self-build. I bought an ASUS mobo with the i5-750 chip. I run 4g of memory on XP. Even my biggest projects, loaded with several synths and lots of audio FX all running in real time only get the CPU up to 25% or so. With lots of storage drives I plan to have this baby running for years. I also keep it totally off line. No Internet on it at all. No updates, no upgrades. So unless you have the money to spend on a top of the line DAW (more power to you if you do) all you need is a middle of the curve DAW and it will likely be more DAW than you need. It's totally up you you what you end up with in the end. I would plan for upgrades. My system will upgrade to the i7 chip and 16g of memory with W7/64 should I decide to go that route in the future. I'm waiting for all the kinks and compatibility issues to get worked out with all the software. But since my DAW is running smooth, I'm not in a rush to make the move.
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/28 10:24:00
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yup starting to pop up in the US... already have 30 of them on the way.. FYI i would not touch Asus with a 10' Pole..
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/28 10:35:33
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jcschild FYI i would not touch Asus with a 10' Pole.. Really? I've never had any problem with them...running a P5QL-E (p43) with a Q9550 at the moment and my 32bit machine runs a P5WDH Deluxe (975) and a E6600 with no problem...........are you refering to a specific SandyBridge problem or something else?
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/28 10:58:53
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Twigman, I think Scott is talking about reliability... there was a point where Asus boards were causing constant headaches, and had extremely high failure rates (also know from personal experience, as my computer had one of the Asus boards that failed). It is virtually certain with a small sample size (i.e. one, two, or three users), any board could be trouble-free. Nevertheless, when one is building computers for say 300 different users, and a major % of the boards fail, quality becomes a very clear issue.
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/02/28 16:00:57
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+1 you hit the nail on the head EG: get a box of 10 in 7 are doa or die on the bench in 3 days ugghh.
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Kev999
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 00:51:11
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Guitarhacker ...I too was faced with the "what do I want vs need" syndrome. Inevitably, any activity classed as a hobby entails sinking far more money and resources into it than it actually warrants.
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 01:34:28
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I agree with Scott on Asus. I've been rolling my own since the original IBMPC which I had running mounted to a piece of plywood because aftermarket cases didn't exist. I always liked Asus however in recent years they have gone sour. Last board was an x58 and it was DOA. The box let out a burnt odor when I opened it and yes it was factory sealed. I exchanged it for another Asus and it had BIOS problems where it wouldn't POST maybe 50 percent of the time. I had enough and went with a Gigabyte x58 UD3R and never looked back. Good thing I have a Microcenter near my house :) The Giga is a super solid, heavy board. Even before you plug it in, you can just feel the difference in weight. Worked like a charm, though the BIOS has a zillion somewhat vague settings and the driver disk software is a nightmare. Get it off the web instead. I've been very pleased.
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 01:48:51
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Wow, sorry to hear about ASUS! They were the only Mobo's I would use in my builds... Now that it's been a thousand years (in PC terms - about six in "real life"), I've been researching what to use. Guess I'll cross ASUS off the list...
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 04:59:42
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Wow, and I was considering Asus too for my forthcoming build! Well, thanks to the helpful lowdown on this particular brand, looks like I will scratch off Asus and go with Gigabyte (I have used the Gigabyte boards before in past builds and never had a problem). Nothing is more frustrating than dealing with a failed or defective board (and double that when you have to ship it back). What about MSI boards are they reliable? I know I built an P4 system with an MSI Neo 865PE back in early 2004, no problems with that one either.
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jcschild
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 09:39:26
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in all fairness they are probably better now. you cant keep having QA issues like that for too long without it getting out in the wild. but i had that happen several times over the yrs with asus. it also tends to happen more toward end of life of the product. and they like to use refurbed boards as new.. or send back supposedly fixed boards that are still bad :-( we had to use them when X58 first released as all the others had serious memory issues and my fav manufacturer had issues with 6 sticks @ 1600 (1333 was ok) oddly this issue still remains on most X58. (over 2 yrs later) as does many ram issues. at that time we only seen maybe 1or 2 out of 10.. (still too high) anyway my fav manufacturer fixed within a few months so problem solved. when Sandy Bridge released and were once again testing boards.. one of my guys said if you get in asus i quit.... (support guy ) he was only 1/2 joking..
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 12:17:03
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Whatever you say I think I'm going to stick with Asus - they've never let me down. If you pick one of their boards with the Japanese components (as opposed to the Korean) then I believe the quality is better. Asus even make a point that certain boards use Japanese capacitors - only certain boards though, not all. This is in their blurb on the Asus website in the board spec pages. I know that both the P5QL-E and the P5W-DH Deluxe boards I use were both advertised as using the Japanese capacitors and I know they've been totally reliable ( am I tempting fate here?). The P5W-DH Deluxe board even survived a HDD popping a capacitor and blowing a PSU without any trauma.
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Kev999
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/01 16:48:19
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I have never had any experience with Asus. My previous motherboards were Epox, but this company seems to have dropped out of the motherboard market. I went with Gigabyte this time round after hearing good reports and I am not disappointed.
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/03/14 04:47:59
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post edited by testing - 2011/03/18 07:38:13
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Re:Building a new DAW need help with CPUs
2011/04/10 08:05:22
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its seems no problem at all dude..
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