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Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
Hi everyone, i'm looking for some advice.I have to mix in a small room it's 9'5"x8'x8'.
I have a lot of treatment, broadband traps and rolls of insulation stacked in each corner, after doing tests i'm getting a big null about 65-70hz or a peak if i move at the same frequency which according to Room Calc is because of the two 8' measurements.
Now using Room Calc if the height was 7' i'd get a much flatter response.
My question is what is the best way of lowering the ceiling and would it be worth it?
Cheers
Steve.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/27 21:10:54
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I have a similar situation where my ceiling is a bit too low. In my case I am considering removing the ceiling tiles and filling the area between the upper floor joists with 4 inch rock wool (or perhaps a cotton based insuation). My thought is to cover the acoustic insulation with flame-****ant burlap to remove the ceiling reflections as much as possible.
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steve@psbnoe.wanadoo
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 03:20:13
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 07:40:30
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steve@psbnoe.wanadoo
Hi everyone, i'm looking for some advice.I have to mix in a small room it's 9'5"x8'x8'.
I have a lot of treatment, broadband traps and rolls of insulation stacked in each corner, after doing tests i'm getting a big null about 65-70hz or a peak if i move at the same frequency which according to Room Calc is because of the two 8' measurements.
Now using Room Calc if the height was 7' i'd get a much flatter response.
My question is what is the best way of lowering the ceiling and would it be worth it?
Cheers
Steve.
Steve, that's one hell of a load of work and for questionable benefits. Why not try the simple option first - make up & install a cloud and make sure you angle it so that the lower part is above your monitors, sloping up as it goes back towards the centre of the room. Something like this: 
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 10:56:11
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yeah, fly some clouds
it's much easier, cheaper, and just as effective.
plus, it kinda looks cool.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 13:22:10
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Thanks for your great idea, but i do have a Bass trap hanging above my mixing position which is not angled.
When you say a cloud do you mean like one big Bass trap all the way across the width of the room?
Cheers
Steve.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 13:57:22
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You could do it that way, or you could hang several smaller ones, which again looks cool - just make sure the gaps between each separate panel aren't that big!
All you're hoping to accomplish here is to prevent reflections bouncing off the ceiling back into your ears, and hopefully do some useful bass trapping at the same time.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 15:24:21
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Interesting thread. What is Room Calc? I googled it and found a lot of different ones.
I also have a small room to mix in and right where I sit I have standing waves in the low frequencies. I read in a book that there is almost nothing to do about this kind of situation. But I see you Steve are trying. Are you getting any results from the basss traps?
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 15:45:01
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Small room....raise the floor.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 16:58:13
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Grem
Interesting thread. What is Room Calc? I googled it and found a lot of different ones.
I also have a small room to mix in and right where I sit I have standing waves in the low frequencies. I read in a book that there is almost nothing to do about this kind of situation. But I see you Steve are trying. Are you getting any results from the basss traps?
The Room Calc is available on the Real Traps site.
http://www.realtraps.com/modecalc.htm
The bass traps have made a big difference, but because i've got two room dimensions the same i don't think just using traps is going to be enough.
Cheers
Steve.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 17:05:09
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Small room....raise the floor.
I'm no expert but i was thinking if i did the ceiling out of slabs of installation it would stop reflections more than a solid surface on the floor. Cheers Steve.
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 18:25:31
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Clouds are easy to construct and can't hurt, but keep in mind that a cloud that was an effective absorber at 60Hz would be about 2 feet thick and hang suspended 2 feet from the ceiling. This would leave you only 4' of headroom!
Maybe you could check into a Helmholtz resonator tuned specifically to 60-75Hz. It would still be pretty big, but you could build two of them and mount them where the side walls meet the ceiling, thus preserving your ceiling height and allowing you to stand up if you want to.
Either way, as Jonesey noted, it is a lot of work for unguaranteed benefits. It might be easier to just eyeball your < 80Hz content visually with SPAN.
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Grem
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 21:20:59
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bitflipper
Either way, as Jonesey noted, it is a lot of work for unguaranteed benefits. It might be easier to just eyeball your < 80Hz content visually with SPAN.
This is what I had in mind when I realized my mixing room was not designed for what I want to do with it. Mix accurate music! There had to be something that I could do besides doing what amounted to a crap shoot. Mix. Go listen elsewhere. Mix again. Repeat over and over. What is Span that you speak of. Bit I remember you in a thread talking about a program that took a picture of your favorite song and spit out an EQ curve to give you that exact sound. You didn't have high opinion of the software doing what it claimed, but you found it a very useful tool to do a picture of your listening room and use that curve to adjust your mixes to that. Something on that order. Do you remember the program?
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/02/28 22:00:58
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Grem, here's the link for SPAN - it's a great tool - even necessary, IMO. http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/ (I started to be a smart-alec and do the "google for me" thing - but decided against it...)
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/03/01 09:07:04
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Grem, here's the link for SPAN - it's a great tool - even necessary, IMO.
http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/
(I started to be a smart-alec and do the "google for me" thing - but decided against it...)
Thanks beagle. What I didn't know (and didn't even think to google!) was if the program was called "Span" of if that was a nick name/short version of the name. Like we say CW. Or SX1. Or S1. Or PT. I know I missed the boat on that one!! But thanks. And help me out here again if you will. The "google for me" thing went right over my head. Please clue me in!!LOL!
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Re:Is it worth lowering my ceiling?
2011/03/01 09:44:15
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http://lmgtfy.com/ use this website to type in a "search parameter" and then it returns a url for you with the parameter "googled for you" and shows you the results and says "that wasn't so hard was it?" or something like that. here's the result of Span VST http://lmgtfy.com/?q=span+vst
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