Sonar VS Manual?

the help files is the only manual that i know of for sonar vs.

what's giving you the trouble?

i am using x1 now and due to a problem between 64 bit sonar x1 and sonar vs (they don't like each other when using windows 7 x64) i had to uninstall sonars vs.

did you insert soft synth>studio drums>create a midi track and an audio track for it?

yeah, they are very similar, if not the same, as far as creating the midi track and an audio track and assigning the output of the midi track to the soft synth (in this case that would be studio instrument drums) and the audio track's input should be coming from studio inst drums. it's a bit awkward when your doing it the first couple of times, but then you'll understand it.
the instructions for the other versions will be more of the same of what you already have. there is no manual for any sonars. (i grummbled about that too, so your not alone. they claim that the manual would be the size of a telephone book. i guess there's some truth to that, at least the tree hugger in me can see it that way too.)

so what exactly are you have a problem with? i can probably walk you through it without having vs set up. are you recording from your keyboard or are you recording a loop?

have you seen these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UquKaN5Ruio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usBAyLUW01g

there are some other studio instruments vids on utube that show some drag and drop. they are not using sonar vs, but it shouldnt matter. i never drag and dropped midi grooves, so i can't talk about the details of it.

I've got similar questions that I'm sure are pretty dang simple to answer but are impossible to suss out of the available documentation.

I've had the VS-100 for a while and already recorded our first CD sucessfully on it. However, we're an acoustic duo and we haven't used the synth instruments yet. We want to put a simple hi-hat into one of our songs.

So I add a drum instrument track and up pops the kit interface. So far, so good. So I want to record my hi-hat hits, so I arm the track, hit record, and tap the hi-hat on the screen. Sounds great.... but it doesn't record. I can't get the interface on the screen to put the notes I want on the track.

So I go to the help page. I guess I need a MIDI controller. Fortunately, I've got a functional old PMA-5 around (yes, I'm an old guy) so I plug it in, find the note, and it triggers the hit. And now when I record the hi-hat hits are there. Hallelujah! It may be a completely goofy way of going about it, but I can do what needs to be done.

However, why the heck can't I just use the mouse with all that high dollar software and not have to rely on a MIDI controller?

Then there seem to be all these patterns available with the drum kit. That would be great to actually be able to program rhythm tracks from these on-board instruments using some of these patterns.

But nowhere in any documentation or video can I figure out how to incorporate and synch them into my recording projects. Now I'm left looking at my lowly ancient PMA-5 thinking about how easy it used to be to just choose so many bars of a couple of patterns, program in the changes, and run the song. It used to be that I could plug the MIDI cord into another keyboard and it would function as a sequencer and drive the keyboard to play the programmed song.

That's really all I want to do. Should be butt simple, or at least it was 20 some years ago. Take the drum kit on the screen, use it to manually program a track without another peice of gear, and then occasionally use the preset patterns to program a full rhythm track.

What am I missing? The documentation and help screens are useless and I can't possibly sift through all these videos of tone tweaking to figure out something as basic as how to make the thing work.

Any help would be appreciated. And if you could keep the snickering down, that would be appreciated too. 

Thanks codamedia. I've managed to get the synths in and functional. I even managed to get Ethnos plug-ins up and running to the same degree. I've seen the piano roll and you're right, that allows you to record without the MIDI controller, however that view seems to take up the whole dang screen so I can't see any of the other tracks that I'm trying to synch to AND it doesn't appear to have the velocity sensitivity of the big picture of the drum kit.

So I'd still like to do two things and I've got to believe I'm just overlooking a stupid fix (maybe I haven't quite caught up with modern terminology), 1.) I'd like to record an instrument track by hitting the drums on the screen, and 2.) I'd like to string patterns along to create rhythm tracks that are synched and function like the rest of the audio tracks in the project.
 
That's all. I don't need to be a power user (yet, anyways).

M@ B

dangeroso

              I can drop a drum track in, but can't hear it in playback. 




can you see the drums on the track in the track view?

Yes, that's the weird part.

Both actually.  If I try to record drums by hitting them or playing a loop "live" while tracking, I see the meter in the meter move in the V-100 console and the track meter on VS, until I arm the track to record, at which point I no longer see the track in Sonar.

If I drag and drop the loop to the track, I can see the track as a waveform, but can't hear it during playback of the track.

I'm sure it's probably an input output setting.  If you or anyone else has set up a SI drum track to record successfully, I'd be curious to know your input and output assignments.

hey m@b..do you have the vs20??..im thinking of getting it..but i have windows 7 64bit..x1.what do you think..are they compatible with each other???

auesome..is there different software..or do you just basically use it in sonar x1??..can we buy it at the cake store to get a regestered user discount?

it comes with a software bundle, but if you have x1 sudio or pe, then there's no need to install it. as a matter of fact if you're running w7 x64 and sonar x1 x64 then definitely don't install the sonar vs bundle. they conflict with each other and cause problems. it happened here i had to unistall both and do a clean install of only x1pe x64. but like i said before, no problems at all now.

chuckebaby


i read an earlier post it said you uninstalled it cause they werent playing nice..i got worried thinking they werent for eachother

the two versions of sonar don't play nice. the vstudio hardware plays nice with either. you just can't have both software on the same machine, so just use the flagship x1 pe x64. you can still use the other bundle on an old laptop or something.

no the other bundle is a lite version of sonar similar to maybe home studio 7 or something like that. it's got some essential plug ins and stuff. it's useful if it's all you have, but with x1, i don't think its necessary. i learned the basics on it and the upgraded a year later. x1 pe has got quite a learning curve in comparison.

cake. download version.