cakewalks installer for euphonix master control doesnt work with windows 7 x64

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2011/03/02 01:17:52 (permalink)

cakewalks installer for euphonix master control doesnt work with windows 7 x64

the installer for the euphonix master control  doesnt run on a 64 bit system?
um ya all they sell now is 64 bit operating systems fact is you are actually
pushing 64 bit compatibility hard and have been for years though its way too much hassle to try to run
anything in 64 bit still to this day
so why i ask, in an installer that has been updated mere days ago is there no 64 bit compatibility
and please for the love of god dont give me a sales pitch i own plenty of roland products have for years
ditched cubase for sonar cuz sonar is easy to use
but i am pretty upset that i own a euphonix master control and cakewalk uses an installer that is completely incompatible with the standard operating system that has been issued, with purchase of a computer for at least 18 months now
so what gives?
its a pretty simple thing to update your installer i mean after all you guys are a software company im just saying i am a long time roland, boss customer but this is an obvious and deliberate insult if you ask me
im not buying that you guys just forgot that every new computer you buy in this day and age has a 64 bit operating system
so my question is real simple why is your installer outdated
i just spent a ton of my hard earned money to put a system together that cakewalk says i can use with no hassles only to find out that the installer doesnt run on my os which is standard on any new computer purchased in the past what year and a half cmon guys dont treat your customers like that
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    guitarmikeh
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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 01:20:55 (permalink)
    nutz

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 01:57:34 (permalink)
    Ah what installer from CW for your CS? Why does CW have an installer for it?

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 01:59:53 (permalink)
    Can someone translate that for us?

    "I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 02:16:18 (permalink)
    My post or the OP's? LOL

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 02:24:19 (permalink)
    Both I think. :)

    I think what I'm seeing is, he has a 64bit PC, but some installer from Cakewalk is 32bit and won't even run on his 64bit PC?

    I find that hard to believe, but I'm sure some folks say that about half the crap I write too. LOL

    "I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 02:43:42 (permalink)
    cakewalk put together an installer for the euphonix master control for windows 7. both companies are talking about the compatibility, yet the installer for the drivers and .dll files says right on the header that it only runs on a 32 bit system. now who owns windows 7  32 bit? unless you specifically pay for that operating system aside from the purchase of your new computer you get a 64 bit system standard period its not an option you get it and like it
    its been that way since vistas what second year?
    so while 2 companies are talking about being compatible, the installer the  software company put out does not run with what is a standard o.s. so i am curious as to why cakewalk who are the ones that put together the update and installer would do such a thing.
    its not an over-site i am currently working on unpacking the installer and either modifying that little note they were nice enough to put in the installer that keeps it from being able to install on anything other than a 32 bit system, or remove the header so that the installer can run
    my point is that  considering avid owns euphonix now which is pro tools its not surprising. i hate pro tools with a passion just like apple for that kind of money grubbing crap and am disappointed  to see roland i.e. cakewalk starting to pull the same type of stuff , v. 1.0.7 updated feb 15th 2011, 2 weeks ago was the last update on this program
    the only reason the installer doesnt work is some joker threw a statement saying that it will only work on 32 bit systems making it so either a: you have to do a dual install to get the full benefits of the hardware
    or b: use act to manually assign every single function from a generic surface
    meanwhile both companies are speaking of being compatible
    so i spent a grip of money picking up a high end piece of hardware both companies informed me were perfectly comppatible, only to find that the installer that would make them so is specifically designed not to work on the operating systems that are standard issue and that the same companies are making yet another big production about how they are compatible with and blah blah blah
    the point is cakewalk needs to quit following in the footsteps of companies like apple and pro tools which used to be pinnacle. avid is actually making pro tools 9 open source so any 3rd party controller works on it which is why ill probably end up using it but it will be a cold ass day in hell before i ever ever let apple have any of my money because of their practices
    i like roland and i like boss it upsets me to see them doing stuff like that to their customers its lame, i thought about the v series controllers but prefer the faster protocol of the euphonix and jazzmutant controllers sorry cakewalk but usb is lame firewire sucks,


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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 02:47:09 (permalink)
    Please try to format your posts.

    Where did you get this installer?

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 02:48:16 (permalink)
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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 02:53:08 (permalink)
    That seems to be a plugin. It also says you need to install the Euphonix EuCon Software first. I take it that that means from Euphonix.

    If that is true and I have no reason to doubt it then its up to Euphonix to offer 64 bit drivers not CW.

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:02:57 (permalink)
    I think you're at the wrong forum.  According to your posted url, that leads to the Sonar site, this installer is for Project5 2.5, Sonar 7, Sonar 8, and Sonar 8.5.

    This is the Sonar X1 forum.

    IF ... you're trying to run the installer on Sonar X1, according to the Cakewalk site you've posted, it's not supported.

    If you "read" like you "write", then I think your problem may be a total lack of comprehension skills ...

    ... never-the-less ...

    Best of luck!

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:08:52 (permalink)
    sorry dude but they do, its not in the drivers its in a note in the header of the install script for the cakewalk installer that says it will only install on a 32 bit system



    heres the part of the code that needs to be modified youll notice i was kind enough to ad the -64 which when i recompres the file into an installer package should fix the problem
    originally it stated that it could only be installed on x86 platforms which means pretty much nothing that has been issued in the past few years and certainly nothing that would run any of the new programs
    im sorry man but this is a cakewalk error i simply want to know why they havent bothered to fix it its been mentioned in the forums and if i can fix it in my spare time which i dont know a damned thing abut programming i am learning it as i go then cakewalk could do us the coutesy of fixing it in the what did it just take me?
    10 minutes to learn how to do it and where to download the software to do it?

    [Setup]
    AppName=EuCon Control Surface
    AppVerName=EuCon Control Surface
    DefaultDirName={pf}\Cakewalk\Shared Surfaces
    OutputBaseFilename=EuConSurfaceSetup (2)
    Compression=lzma
    ArchitecturesAllowed=x86-64
    WizardImageFile=embedded\WizardImage.bmp
    WizardSmallImageFile=embedded\WizardSmallImage.bmp

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:18:49 (permalink)
    sorry your having trouble, but really honest cakewalk has bigger fish to fry. errrr bake.. than the Euphonix controller.
    they baked a @#$cake with X1 (their Flagship product) and they need to fix that.

    on  another note. i'm thinking of getting my cakeboi tat removed.
    post edited by guitarmikeh - 2011/03/02 03:21:58

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:20:24 (permalink)
    again you guys are missing the obvious it has nothing to do with the platform and everything to do with the code
    doesnt matter what version of sonar doesnt matter what drivers
    they wrote a line of code that makes the installer completely useless on any computer that has been purchased in the past 3 years at least
    thats the point
    all im asking is why did they do that and why hasnt it been fixed since it has been mentioned in the forums already.
    and when it was some joker used it as a chance to try to market the v series controllers rather than offer real support which is half of what has me upset

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:23:33 (permalink)
    You need to contact Cakewalk and see what they can do for you. This forum is not tech support.

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:25:57 (permalink)
    koolbass


    I think you're at the wrong forum.  According to your posted url, that leads to the Sonar site, this installer is for Project5 2.5, Sonar 7, Sonar 8, and Sonar 8.5.

    This is the Sonar X1 forum.

    IF ... you're trying to run the installer on Sonar X1, according to the Cakewalk site you've posted, it's not supported.

    If you "read" like you "write", then I think your problem may be a total lack of comprehension skills ...

    ... never-the-less ...

    Best of luck!

    lets try to keep the youtube style comments to a minimum here yes? trading snide comments over the internet is pretty lame

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:34:22 (permalink)
    and yes ive contacted them, but this is about tech problems one is having yes?
    ive read quite a few entries in the forumes cakewalk eventually responds to them and id like them to notice though of course they are a corporation so nothing will be done about it i am sure thats how they work
    still i like my voice to be heard because someone needs to say something
    anyway im off to repack the installer and see if i was able to fix the problem, the euphonix controller is actually pretty bad ass and i like sonar so ill be pretty bummed if i have to ditch it for pro tools i hate that program almost as much as i hate cubase 5, but cubase 5 takes the cake for the most uselessly technical program ive ever had to work with holy crap that program sucks.
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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:34:24 (permalink)
    sincerely man, your not gonna get the answer you want here. (unless someone from cakewalk chimes in. not likely to happen with all the turmoil going on, but it may)
    you'll either have to :
    1. hack the installer your self.(seems thats what your doing)
    2. contact cakewalk.
    3. contact Euphonix
    If you just want to rant. well thats fine. that's been going on a hell of a lot around here lately.

    best of luck.

    PS if you do want cake to even look at this thread and not bump it to some other forum. you'll have to change the title to something more meaningful.
    post edited by guitarmikeh - 2011/03/02 03:36:23

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:51:10 (permalink)
    ha ha ya i notice its usually like that with new programs x1 is pretty cool really but its got its problems
    way better than cubase 5 though i was trying that one out for awhile cuz everyone raves about cubase. only too happy to go back to sonar its pretty easy to use and tends to interfere a little less with the work flow
    session drummer is pretty weak though so definitely have to throw some 3rd party plug ins in anyway ya im just hacking the installer so it works properly seems like the best solution, im not really a wait around for someone else to fix my problems type.
    really youre probably right cakewalk will probably chime in at some point but they have their hands full and i think it was a 3rd party developer who did the installer anyway
    but had to say something and ya im ranting, ive been working for hours to get all my equipment to communicate and its a drag
    i havent even cracked the box to my gr-55 yet ha ha we wont even talk about how roland doesnt offer any really good methods of attaching that damned pick up had to design a pickup mounting bracket for my guitar that will allow me to put it in between my bridge pickup and my tremelo which means i had to move the pickup 1/8 of an inch so that it would give enough space for the synth  pick-up, and still leave a 16th of an inch between the trem and the synth  pick-up which should be enough to allow the trem to move and still get a strong signal to the pick-up.
    tape, now i ask you, how long is a taped pick-up going to stick to your guitar, right at the bridge, with part of it sticking out further than your actual bridge or pick-up mount? forget palm muting
    ha ha but thats a whole different forum all together and a question i will ask anyway rock on man

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 03:57:54 (permalink)
    Am I missing something here? Why would cakewalk be responsible for writing drivers and the associated installer for another manufacturers hardware?

    I can understand why they might do that for commercial/compatibility reasons but I don't get the obligation.
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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 04:54:56 (permalink)
      the obligation is if you are going to do something, do it right or dont do it at all. cakewalk has long been a strong supporter of 3rd party hardware and it is very largely in their favor, but boss, roland and cakewalk are changing and not for the better that way. look at some of the shameless attempts to sell the v series hardware in various places in the forum where people are talking about the hardware problems they are having. one of the greatest things i and many other musicians i know love about cakewalk  is that you could just plug your hardware into a cakewalk product and start jamming, no fuss, no muss didnt even have to read the instructions it was that easy.
      thats even where the name for their company back before it became yet another whore for  corporate america so easy its a cakewalk. so strong 3rd party support is something that many have come to love and very much expect from this company,
    honestly i dont know why cakewalk had to write the software rather than avid, thats really not my problem i really dont care who wrote it i just want them to eventually read that its flawed.

    im still working on the manual install hopefully i can get that to work and then i can post how to fix the problem :)

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    Re:cakewalks installer for euphonix master control doesnt work with windows 7 x64 2011/03/02 05:19:02 (permalink)
    Ive got the exact same problem,
     
    The euphonix master control is an exelent controller. Contols all major daw trough ethernet. so i can take the conroller into the recording rom or "the atic" :-) and control sonar from your network
     
    Cakewalk please solve

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    Re:cakewalks installer for euphonix master control doesnt work with windows 7 x64 2011/03/02 05:47:35 (permalink)
    I own a Roland Studio Pro Package II. I bought that for 2800 euro. And it now won't work in 64bit. I can however install Sonar 7 in 32bit mode and then I CAN use the SI.dll and install that on W7-64. And then I CAN use the SI-24 as remote controller....

    Maybe this will fix (for a part) your issue?

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 06:46:18 (permalink)
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    Am I missing something here? Why would cakewalk be responsible for writing drivers and the associated installer for another manufacturers hardware?

    I can understand why they might do that for commercial/compatibility reasons but I don't get the obligation.


    It's not a driver, it's a protocol - like the Mackie protocol so Sonar understands what the Mackie messages mean from the control surface. Cakwalk is responsible for making Sonar understand the Euphonix Control messages in the same way as with the Mackie. But it seems like they've forgotten it somehow when 64-bit came into fashion, so I understand the OP.

    BTW, the drivers from Euphonix is now 64-bit so no problems there. It's just the EuCon protocol that needs fixing.

    It's the same as with ReWire. Propellerhead has to fix it so everyone can use it


    To the OP - good luck, hope it works out for ya!

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 06:55:49 (permalink)
    to the OP:

    the following line which you quote

        "ArchitecturesAllowed=x86-64 "

    Means it should operate in x86 or x64 OS i.e. 32 or 64 bit

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 07:03:25 (permalink)
    this thread is hurting my brain

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    Re:ya my question for cakewalk is real simple 2011/03/02 07:05:51 (permalink)
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    FastBikerBoy


    Am I missing something here? Why would cakewalk be responsible for writing drivers and the associated installer for another manufacturers hardware?

    I can understand why they might do that for commercial/compatibility reasons but I don't get the obligation.


    It's not a driver, it's a protocol - like the Mackie protocol so Sonar understands what the Mackie messages mean from the control surface. Cakwalk is responsible for making Sonar understand the Euphonix Control messages in the same way as with the Mackie. But it seems like they've forgotten it somehow when 64-bit came into fashion, so I understand the OP.

    BTW, the drivers from Euphonix is now 64-bit so no problems there. It's just the EuCon protocol that needs fixing.

    It's the same as with ReWire. Propellerhead has to fix it so everyone can use it


    To the OP - good luck, hope it works out for ya!


    Ah got it. I thought he was talking about installation of hardware.

    The problem must be with the CS dll then if it doesn't work. Surely the only installation that is needed is copying the dll to the Shared surfaces folder? Doesn't take an installer for that does it? I have tried using a couple of CS dlls for my BCF kindly written by other users on here but they have been 32 bit, and I use x64. They install okay but then show enclosed in brackets () when selected in the Control surfaces dialogue, and don't work either obviously. I can imagine that must be very frustrating.

    To the OP it might be an idea to make your post a little clearer. Hope you get it sorted.
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