NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Readout

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NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Readout

I just submitted this feature request to Cakewalk --

I call my feature Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Readout


In recent months, I have had a compelling reason to find out exactly what percentage of global CPU resources each instance of a VST Audio Effect is using relative to other VST Audio Effects.

One of my VST Audio Effects has a processor leak in a *very specific* situation but I have no way to determine which one.

PLEASE Make a GLOBAL VST Audio FX rack (one for every VST effect instance in the Cakewalk Project, NOT just for each audio track or bus).

Next to each VST FX instance in the global VST FX rack, display a CPU usage meter that shows the percentage of CPU *that instance* of *that effect* is using in real-time relative to other FX. (This is mathematically simple. Just calculate the CPU usage of all Audio FX as 100 and then write code that adds up the CPU usage of each Audio FX and then proportionally represents it as a fraction of 100. Then tie it to a meter readout with a percentage. One programmer could probably code it in a day or two!)

This would allow me to view, in real-time, what specific VST FX instance is using X percentage of CPU resources *relative* to other VST FX -- and catch any VST effect with a CPU leak red-handed.


This is an amazing idea that should be a #1 feature priority, isn't it?
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 16:35:26 (permalink)
    What on earth is a CPU leak?

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 17:13:29 (permalink)
    Great idea if you're having problems with cpu or ram uses.

    I just put in two requests

    1. Moveable Modules in CV - The ablity to drag and drop, in the same way that you can with the control   
        bar, so you want the I/O at the top, then just drag it to the top.

    2. Midi and Audio Tracks should be different colours in both CV and TV, or to expand on that idea the ability to change the colour of the track in the same way that you can change the colour of clips.


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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 17:52:08 (permalink)
    John


    What on earth is a CPU leak?
    When a VST plug-in causes a runaway spike in CPU usage that is not the intended result of its code, sometimes only in a narrow range of circumstances that are difficult to deduce.
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 19:02:09 (permalink)
    What on Earth is a colour?  : )

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 19:52:20 (permalink)
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    What on Earth is a colour?  : )

     
    Now that's sarcasm
     
     

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 20:05:07 (permalink)
    The below is taken from a forum on hardware. That can be read here.

    A term has to have a meaning.  In this case I asked what it could be yet  I still have no idea what a CPU leak could be.

    It sounds as if the OP is asking about CPU spiking.


    ...no such thing, until CPU's are made from liquid anyway. %)

    In Windows Task Manager, instead of Performance, click on the "Processes" tab. The headings about the listed processes are :

    Image Name | Username | CPU | MEM Usage

    Click the "CPU" twice, so it shows busiest processes at the top. Now here's the tricky bit....

    Whatever is busy, "applications/virus/spyware/things you forgot (but left running for years)/System Idle" will be shown there. The name is an indicator to help you narrow down what's doing what.

    The list is huge, long, and complex, and different for ALL our PC's, as none of us have the same setups, and applications installed and running, so you have to look at the name of what is busy, and decide where you'd like to go...however...

    Most 2+Ghz PC's looking at this webpage, and doing nothing else (haven't you lot heard of "folding@home" ? lol) will likely be 0 - 5% busy, as the operating system runs all it's required processes. 20+ % while doing nothing...looks ominous...in a trojan/zombie infection sort of way.

    Listed EXE's can be searched on (only a web search away) in your Hard Drive, where you can show their properties, and figure out what they.

    Good luck,


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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 20:17:54 (permalink)
     
    I've heard of a Memory Leak - is that the same as a CPU Leak?
     
     
     

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 20:23:39 (permalink)
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    I've heard of a Memory Leak - is that the same as a CPU Leak?
     
     
     


    That could also be what the OP is asking about. But I don't know.

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/04 20:32:21 (permalink)
    i do this now with the performance module..im not sure if you guys do,but when ever i add a synth,vst,audio track,anything..im always checking my performance module..i hover my mouse over it and check th percentage..i add this up and get a good idea for my projects in the future how much i can push the envolope..one reason i dont use th-2 anymore..its a cpu hog..though it has some great george lynch sounds,not worth my hasstle of bartering between effects during mixdown

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 00:46:48 (permalink)
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    i do this now with the performance module..im not sure if you guys do,but when ever i add a synth,vst,audio track,anything..im always checking my performance module..i hover my mouse over it and check th percentage..i add this up and get a good idea for my projects in the future how much i can push the envolope..one reason i dont use th-2 anymore..its a cpu hog..though it has some great george lynch sounds,not worth my hasstle of bartering between effects during mixdown


    What's the performance module?
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:10:30 (permalink)
    This is.


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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:13:52 (permalink)
    lmao!!!!!!...you serious!!!man if you wanna invent things for cake you gotta know whats going on..i love your drive though...on a seperate note...hey john your cpu's are full.....lmao.....lol

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:15:09 (permalink)
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    This is.




    Oh. Well everybody's always looking at that. But with twelve cores -- in the event of a CPU Leak (and yes -- "CPU Leak" is a term to describe any software code that erroneously causes CPU usage) -- the performance module isn't helpful at all in identifying the CPU usage of each plugin.
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:17:01 (permalink)
    corling..i think you got some good ideas though..your idea is a better spec of a performance module only on the vst's..i like it..sorry for the laugh..

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    lmao!!!!!!...you serious!!!man if you wanna invent things for cake you gotta know whats going on..i love your drive though...on a seperate note...hey john your cpu's are full.....lmao.....lol

    The "performance module" (as you call it -- it has no official name in Sonar's help file so I don't apologize for not knowing the name you made up for it) -- is nearly irrelevent to the "global VST FX Rack with individualized CPU meters normalized as a percentage against the sum total of VST FX CPU demands" feature I describe.
     
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:28:04 (permalink)
    i beg to differ.you see all the vst's you use in sonar add up into this module and the more vsts you use..the more the bar fills up.... and it is in the help file.do a search for performance module..youll see it.
    im not knocking your idea though,i do like a more indepth module for vsts

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:29:13 (permalink)
    corling...do you own x1?..and which one do you have?

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    corling...do you own x1?..and which one do you have?


    X1a.
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 01:39:50 (permalink)
    yes its in the help file...sometimes its not visable in the control bar you need to right click in the control bar and yopu will see whats hidden and whats showing..the performance module has been a part of sonar for over 1o years now..i had it in cakewalk pro audio 9.0 and i bought that 12 years ago

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    yes its in the help file...sometimes its not visable in the control bar you need to right click in the control bar and yopu will see whats hidden and whats showing..the performance module has been a part of sonar for over 1o years now..i had it in cakewalk pro audio 9.0 and i bought that 12 years ago

    LOL I know what it is. If you go to HELP in Sonar X1a and SEARCH for "performance module," nothing comes up.

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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 07:46:50 (permalink)
    good luck with this idea corling,its people like you that make this product better.
    always trying to improve it.id like to see it in a future copy of sonar someday.
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    Re:NEW FEATURE! Global "VST FX Rack" JUST LIKE current VST Synth Rack WITH CPU Usage Reado 2011/03/05 15:59:52 (permalink)
    Personally, I wouldn't want all of that arithmatic going on behind the scenes just waiting for me to call upon it in a "live" situation. That will use a bunch of cpu on it's own (or it seems.)
    The description called for would mean a re-calibration based on an average at anytime you pull or insert a plug.  We already have other offsets to deal with!
    Talk about Bug potential - and, this is not a diagnostic tool or a spreadsheet!
    Just my thoughts - not an attack.

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