MIDI playback slows down - RESOLVED

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2011/03/06 18:49:14 (permalink)

MIDI playback slows down - RESOLVED

Hi,
I'm about to pull my hair out.  I sent a song to a drummer friend of mine with a click track included.  He played along and sent me the midi file, which I imported into Sonar. 
 
Unfortunately he didn't set the tempo in his DAW properly, so I had to 'lengthen' the MIDI file and synch up the start points, but that seems to have gone well - the first 60 seconds of the midi file played through a BFD2 or Session Drummer 3 plugin are perfectly in synch - however at about 1 minute, the  midi goes out of time using either plugin and gets worse as the tune continues.
 
I've ensured:
- buffers are set properly in Sonar & RME configuration utility (e.g. they match)
- I've appended the 'ignoremidiintimestamps' in my ttsseq.ini
- Playback and timing master in Sonar is set to my RME analog output channel 1
- There are no tempo changes in the tune or in the midi information (in tempo view)
- I've tried playback at all buffer settings
- I've bypassed all FX (except for BFD2 or Session Drummer 3)
all to no avail.
 
My setup is:
Sonar X1a PE 64 bit on Win7 64 bit w/ an RME Fireface UFX running via Firewire on a Dual Quadcore Xeon 3.2 Ghz CPU w/ 8 Gbyte RAM and 3 separate disks (1 for OS & apps 1 for BFD2 samples & 1 for Sonar data) and Nvidia Quadro FX1700.  RME and Nvidia have latest drivers.
 
Any other ideas?
Thanks!
Russ
 
post edited by karma1959 - 2011/03/08 08:31:43
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    karma1959
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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/07 13:39:48 (permalink)
    bump.... anyone?  help!!
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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/07 14:06:06 (permalink)
    Karma,

    Simply starting at the same point will not lock the tracks up for the duration of the song. It's close - very close if you can get a minute out of it, but it's only natural that it won't last the entire song.

    There might be other ways, but I think you need to create a tempo map to follow the midi track. A very slight adjustment here and there to keep things locked up.  Take a look at this video for an idea. It's an older version of Sonar, but the same principles should apply.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/dustypuppy?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/62/cP_4X5QdppE

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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/07 14:21:46 (permalink)
    Fantastic.. thanks for the reply.. will give that a shot.
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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/07 16:01:18 (permalink)
    Codamedia,
     
    Sorry, I just re-read your note and want to ensure I'm clear. 
     
    You're saying the 'lengthen' MIDI Process wouldn't synch through the entire song?  Assuming you lengthened by the proper %, I thought that's exactly what it's supposed to do by modifying the start time and duration of the midi notes to the new tempo?  The only other thing required is then to synch up the beginning so the newly modified midi track starts at the right time.
     
    Am I confusing something?
     
    Thanks for your help.
    Russ
     
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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/07 16:17:45 (permalink)
    Hi Russ,

    It sounds like you want to match the midi to the project, and I am suggesting to match the project to the midi. You say it is really close (enough to keep time for a minute or so) so that shouldn't be too difficult.

    What a tempo map does is makes a few fine adjustments to the project along the way. If the beat (midi) gets ahead, then speed the track up slightly to catch up - if it gets behind, slow it down a little. It should only take a few adjustments (not every measure) to keep it all locked up.

    Sorry I can't be much better help as I have never tried this myself. I've created tempo maps before recording a project, but not trying to line stuff up like you are.

    Hopefully someone else can jump in with a suggestion or two.
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    Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take! 
     

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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/07 16:18:15 (permalink)
    DOUBLE POST

    Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take! 
     

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    Re:MIDI playback slows down - HELP! 2011/03/08 08:35:43 (permalink)
    In case this helps anyone, here's what worked  - 
     
    - record a digital audio click track at the current song tempo (84bpm) for future use
    - change the song tempo to 120bpm (which is the tempo the MIDI drum track was recorded at).  The only MIDI track I had was the drum track, everything else was digital audio, so changing the tempo didn't really affect those, except for moving when each digital audio clip started and changing the audio metronome.
    - move the digital audio tracks and MIDI drum track so they start at the proper time together
    that's it!
     
    Thanks to all for the help above.
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