mixing templates

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2011/03/07 12:44:24 (permalink)

mixing templates

I will be mixing a live album, which means that a lot of songs will have very similar EQ and FX settings. is it possible to save a mixing template in 8.5 PE ? or a good work-around for it?
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    rbowser
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    Re:mixing templates 2011/03/07 12:59:37 (permalink)
    You bet, Native - that's a perfect use for a template.  What I've done in the kind of situation you're describing, is produce the first song, then erase the tracks and tempo map, leaving the empty tracks with their EQ settings and FX sends etc.

    There's a current thread by someone who had problems setting a template up like this, but there has to be some undetermined user error in that case.

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    Re:mixing templates 2011/03/07 14:30:11 (permalink)
    Good shout Randy - PERFECT use of a template.

    Same number of tracks for each song, same routing, same plugs, same EQ.

    Native, you could of course mix the whole project in ONE Sonar project then cut it up accordingly in your authoring program of choice - I use CD architect and again, it's perfect for this sort of job.


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    Re:mixing templates 2011/03/07 14:35:20 (permalink)
    I have done a few multi track live sessions now and have come up with  system that makes the session go smooth and songs are never lost.
    It's a royal pain to be fumbling around with a computer at a session. Even if the band is you and your mates they will not stay patient for long if you are not fast at your set up and re takes.

    Before the session pre sets: 
    1. I go to the disk location I will be storing the songs and create a "album" folder.
    2. Create a folder for each song. I will store any material needed for that song like  2 track demos , lyrics and track sheets. This is sometimes needed during session.
    3. Sonar:
    I open a 4 track template ( seems to be a good start)
    I then add as many audio/MIDI tracks as needed and NAME EACH INSTRUMENT TRACK.  ( Kick, snare, Overhead left , Bass etc. )
    This is important if you need to retrieve a particular track from the audio folder later. It will be much easier to find.
    I then assign the inputs that will be used from my interface.
    I also go to "Transport" - "Record options" and set to overwrite
    I will then add any standard plug ins I will use on mix down but will toggle the bypass for them for the recording process. ( save CPU ) ( SEE next post for more detail)
    If keyboard is recorded via MIDI I set up the TTS_1 which is good enough for recording . You could also run a Keyboard Audio track and a dummy MIDI track( sans plug in)  if you need to conserve CPU. Sometimes the live keyboard track is the best one. 
    Note: Pure audio with no plug ins uses very little resources.
    Once I'm happy with my Template-  I then do a "save as" ( CWP )  and browse to each of those song folders I made and name the CWP file "song name". repeating for each song. I also make a few extras.  This will now create a Audio folder for each song within that songs folder. No way to get stuff mixed up.

    Now for the session I open the album folder location and keep it open. Then all you do is open that songs CWP file by double clicking and it will open in Sonar. Now hit record and then save.
    If you do a couple of takes of the same song  there are a few options. You just record over the first take ( after saving) and do a save as and name it song 2. This will cause one issue that now the audio is all in one audio folder. No biggy,  it can be sorted out if need be.
    Other option is that you open one of those extra blank CWP files you had saved and do a save as after recording second take. 

    I record live bands this way with my Laptop and the Tascam us1641. It's easy to drag and drop the "album folder"   to an external drive to take home and work on on my desktop system.  I will re name the album folder with the currant date so I know which is which as I go back and forth.



    post edited by johnnyV - 2011/03/07 14:46:57

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    Re:mixing templates 2011/03/07 15:04:13 (permalink)
    A little more on using pre set Plug ins.

    It hard to know which exact settings your efxs and plug ins will use for mixing. As they are not needed at all during tracking  here's what I do.

    After a couple of projects I now know which plugs I will probably end up using on each track and some close parameters. 
    So I add those to the template and even the approximate send levels on each track. Then I use the Bypass the EFX bin option during recording.
    If the band wants to hear a rough mix playback I just un-bypass the bin and they will hear the song with the efx's added now and I'll start fussing as they listen. Might re-save song after too.

    So later when I work on the mix for the first song,  I'll  tweak the efxs and I then save as a pre set. Every plug in has a pre set list and you can customize and save. When I go to the next song I simply recall that pre set and bingo. Same compression and Eq etc. for each track/ song.  


    post edited by johnnyV - 2011/03/07 15:05:50

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