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Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
Hi all, so I'm trying to record onto a 2nd SATA internal hard drive and Sonar 8.5 keeps dropping out on me. I switch my song to my "C:" drive, no problem. What gives? I have my MOTU set to 512 samples per buffer. I'm a long time Sonar user and can't figure this one out. I'm using 8.5 producer as mentioned, Win7 64, 4g of ram, an old, but useful MOTU 828 with the latest and only driver. any help would be appreciated, thanks! Will (haven't been to this forum in a looooong time) it's good to come back
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johnnyV
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/07 21:29:46
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I heard that some new drives are these so called "green " drives that power down and can cause problems, Just a long shot.
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G7Sharp9
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/07 21:40:04
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I believe it is a 'green' drive. But how can it shut down in the middle of it being used? I don't get it. Or are you saying that it because it has an ability to shut down, that's the issue? Even still, I don't want to record on my c: drive, or an external for that matter, part of why I bought it, to be internal.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/07 21:43:22
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Sorry I don't have details, Just something I have heard talked about here! They advise to stay clear of those drives for audio. Try posting on the X1 or the hardware forum as there are a lot better qualified people there than me.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/07 22:20:14
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thanks for your help, I'll see what else I can find about it
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/07 22:46:40
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"Green" drives do slow or even spin themselves down when idle to save energy, but you should be able to defeat that in your power settings. I think that if you tell Windows that nothing should ever shut down to save power, all hardware should respect that, but I don't know that for sure. I gotta imagine you can un-green them, but then again some people are trying to take away our frickin' incandescent light bulbs! What kind of drives do you have, and are they both the same? Do you stream samples from the second drive?
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/07 23:12:32
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another friendly face! :) I have samples on that drive as well, but haven't really played with them yet. I do mostly acapella stuff by my self, and occasionally make a Karaoke track for someone. But the 64 is totally new as is Windows 7, so I'm not surprised that something as elementary as dropouts are occurring. I can try the power settings. That could do it. Not sure what my C drive is spinning at, I would imagine 7200rpms as I usually make sure that they spin that fast. C Drive is a 500g and my other is a Terrabyte. And I totally agree with you on the incandescent deal, I have yet to switch to the 'new' bulbs, I don't like the white light. Thanks for the tip! I'll repost if it works.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/08 00:26:27
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Here's a good one for the power companies. Oh ya bud will save .03 KIlowatts of powe rper month if he buy's a hard drive that spins down when not in use? I have a couple of 10 gig drives from 98 that still work! A few friends bought tetra gig drives and they died within a week! go figure. Did you know that CFL's do have some good uses, You can use them in fixtures that have a 60watt ( incandescent) rating to increase the amount of light available in a room without danger of burning your house down. They come in full spectrum now. I have some that are very warm spectrum. Anyhow, they are becoming obsolete already as LED bulbs are available in normal bulb sizes. They are awesome for band stage lighting, Use very little power. Sorry but sometimes regular incandescent bulbs are the wrong thing to use and the new technology is much better. But that said CFL's and LED's will not really save you power unless it's air conditioning your using. Halogen bulbs last longer and will help heat your house too!
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/08 09:10:38
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Also they lie about the light output of the CFLs, for example, they may say the bulb puts out the same light as a 60 watt bulb and if you compare the two, its not even close to a 60W bulb. I have to buy the ones that are the equivalent of a 100W bulb to get the same light as a 60W incandescent. Have you tried to buy a ceiling fan lately? You cannot get one that uses incandescent bulbs in the light fixture. CFLS were supposed to be a choice, not a mandate. I have some CFLs but I use them where I don't care about the quality of the light because I think the light they put out is ugly. I much prefer Reveals.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/08 13:30:59
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Boy are we off topic but who cares. I had the opposite with a ceiling fan because the light came with a dimmer remote control, CFL cannot be on a dimmer( another point against them) I use Halogen that look like normal bulbs in all my living room lights. They are not cheap, about $8.00 but I have had them for 6 years now. They are solid heavy glass so they don't get any hotter than a regular bulb. Regular light bulb burn out fast here in the hinterland as we get a lot of power surges. I don't have any regular bulbs anymore. Combo of Halogen and CFL and some xenon. All our band lights are now LED. Hope you get that green hard drive working!
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/08 14:26:52
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Is the larger drive formatted as one big partition, or split? The latter would be normal for non-audio applications since it makes more efficient use of the space, but the former is more efficient for reading and writing and will perform better for audio. I'd start with a disk benchmark utility and see what the transfer rates are on the two drives. If they're different it may be due to different onboard cache sizes or some configuration option. Some drives have separate settings that favor performance over low noise and power consumption. Check the documentation that came with the 1TB drive and see if there are maybe some jumper settings. Some come preconfigured for compatibility with older interfaces and you have to tell them to use SATA3. You may also have a BIOS setting that tells the interface what speed to use.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/08 14:35:02
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Here's a list of countries that are in the process of banning incandescent lighting. This is a misguided agenda, a case of the technologically ignorant dictating their fantasy energy solutions to everyone else. Obviously, nobody wants flourescent lights in a recording studio. But that's not the only application where they're inappropriate. Ask yourself if you'd be comfortable with one in your spray booth where you're applying explosive chemicals.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/08 16:44:45
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This is a misguided agenda, a case of the technologically ignorant dictating their fantasy energy solutions to everyone else. I wish this were a victory for the tree-huggers, but if so then you have to ask yourself how these feel-good-greenies were able to pull off one of the most politically unpopular government annoyances of the century, when they have been woefully incapable of any meaningful action to preserve the environment. In fact, the force behind this legislation is the vastly more powerful "energy" industry. It can cost upward of a billion dollars to build a new small power plant--many billions if you count the only environmentally appropriate nuclear variety. It seems counter-intuitive, but the people who sell you your electricity are doing quite well thank you with current levels of production and would prefer to raise the price per kilowatt hour rather than invest in new power plants. They make more by selling less at a higher price. That is why your local utility is always offering to subsidize your insulation project, haul off your extra refrigerator, check your air conditioner to see if it is efficient or (you guessed it) give away free compact fluorescent bulbs. As always credit for what looks like an enlightened government policy has to go to the wealthy and powerful who have the money and lobbyists to get what makes them richer. It is a highly sophisticated (both technologically and economically) force that has brought us to the end of hot filaments in glass globes.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/09 07:27:52
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Is the larger drive formatted as one big partition, or split? The latter would be normal for non-audio applications since it makes more efficient use of the space, but the former is more efficient for reading and writing and will perform better for audio. I've splitted my hard drive into 2 partitions and the first partitions is used to record audio and I've never had a dropout till now. Some of the audio tracks are heavily processed too.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/09 09:09:15
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Also check to make sure the second drive is operating in DMA mode (check the Windows Device Manager) and not PIO mode.
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Re:Recording to a 2nd Harddrive, dropouts
2011/03/09 11:39:23
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While were are (almost) on the topic of hard drives, has anyone tried one of those adapters that you slap on the end of a SATA drive that converts it into a IDE drive? http://www.ncix.com/produ...p;manufacture=Addonics I want a new storage drive and I hate to purchase another IDE drive. There's only 2 listed now anyhow. You get better deals on a SATA. More off topic: \Your right about the agenda to make us save power only saves the hydro company's from building expensive plants that they know will soon be obsolete as new forms of energy generation come on line. They will tell you this. It's not a hidden agenda at all. That's why in Germany they will pay you 3 time the going rate for your Solar power.
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